PSA: Lose vs. loose

By rmunn, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

A few days ago, I noticed yet another post where someone had used the word "loose" when they meant to say "lose", e.g. they talked about how one could "loose" a duel. I didn't want to say anything in that thread since I don't want to embarrass anyone: those words are hard enough to spell even for native English speakers, and I know some people here are not native English speakers. So instead, I wrote a couple of things that will hopefully help people to remember which word is which.

Loose = the opposite of tight. You can wear loose clothing, or tight clothing.

Lose = the opposite of win. You can lose a duel, or you can win a duel.

But since those two sentences probably won't be memorable enough, have a couple of stories!

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A Crab warrior starts to accuse you of trying to abuse his sister. This is news to you: you've never met her, or him, before. He must have you confused with someone else. So you need to find some ruse that will let you refuse to fight a duel. Because as you look at his mighty thews, you know that if you have to fight him, you will surely lose.

I couldn't make my second story fit into a Rokugan theme, but oh well, it should be memorable enough to remember anyway.

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A goose once had a grudge against a moose. So she tied a noose to the branch of a spruce, to set a trap that would strangle the moose. The trap was set in front of a sluice full of juice, so that the moose would focus on the juice and ignore the noose. But the noose was too loose, and failed to strangle the moose. The moose was able to deduce that the goose had set the noose, but the goose's apologies were profuse, so the two called a truce. And all because of a loose noose.

P.S. The two of them later went on to save a papoose from being run over by a caboose, but that's another story. Probably written by Dr. Seuss.

So now you know the difference between lose and loose. (And knowing is, as we all know, half the battle. The Political half, to be specific).

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I have a loose katana that is why I never lose in duels, but my loose mouth that often get me into duels.

I've never seen a language more difficult to read and spell than English. And I'm French...

6 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

I've never seen a language more difficult to read and spell than English. And I'm French...

Have you seen Welsh, or even Gaelic?

12 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

Have you seen Welsh, or even Gaelic?

I stand corrected (I've seen very little Gaelic). Welsh doesn't seem that complex, to be honest, but it's guaranteed to throw off the unfamiliar (w being a vowel, for instance).

6 minutes ago, Khudzlin said:

I've never seen a language more difficult to read and spell than English. And I'm French...

100% agreed. And loose vs. lose isn't the worst of it by far. For a truly brilliant look at English's weirdness, there's no better poem than The Chaos, by Gerard Nolst Trenité:

http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

I'd quote my favorite parts of that whole poem, but then I'd just end up quoting the whole thing. Just... go read it. That is an amazing work of English mastery.

P.S. Gaelic and Welsh have a really weird alphabet, with lots of consonant clusters to account for the fact that they have a lot more consonant sounds than the 21 consonants of the Latin alphabet can account for. But at least they're regular: as far as I know, the same consonant cluster always stands for the same sound. Whereas English decided to go "Consistency is for wimps. A proper language should be good and weird." :lol:

I absolutely love this poem. i tried to memorise it a few months back, but i have still yet to do so.

2 hours ago, rmunn said:

P.S. Gaelic and Welsh have a really weird alphabet, with lots of consonant clusters to account for the fact that they have a lot more consonant sounds than the 21 consonants of the Latin alphabet can account for. But at least they're regular: as far as I know, the same consonant cluster always stands for the same sound. Whereas English decided to go "Consistency is for wimps. A proper language should be good and weird." :lol:

In Irish they stand for one of two sounds, which are predictable based on the vowels (this is why Sean is pronounced Shawn -- it's a slender S instead of broad). But yes, within a dialect it's consistent. As I mentioned in another thread, the Irish verb form bhfaighidh is, depending on your dialect, pronounced exactly like one of two English words: "we" or "why." Which is recrackulous . . . but you can in fact predict that if you know the rules. Whereas English has thrown half its rules out the window.

2 hours ago, Khudzlin said:

I've never seen a language more difficult to read and spell than English. And I'm French...

Tibetan. It apparently makes English look like a model of sanity; their last spelling reform was in the ninth century.

You knew what the person was trying to say, so communication was successful. I don't really get wrapped up in the details personally.

5 hours ago, rmunn said:

A few days ago, I noticed yet another post where someone had used the word "loose" when they meant to say "lose", e.g. they talked about how one could "loose" a duel. I didn't want to say anything in that thread since I don't want to embarrass anyone: those words are hard enough to spell even for native English speakers, and I know some people here are not native English speakers. So instead, I wrote a couple of things that will hopefully help people to remember which word is which.

Loose = the opposite of tight. You can wear loose clothing, or tight clothing.

Lose = the opposite of win. You can lose a duel, or you can win a duel.

But since those two sentences probably won't be memorable enough, have a couple of stories!

I couldn't make my second story fit into a Rokugan theme, but oh well, it should be memorable enough to remember anyway.

So now you know the difference between lose and loose. (And knowing is, as we all know, half the battle. The Political half, to be specific).

Your poem leaves too many unanswered questions, though! Was the moose colored puce? Was the goose named Bruce? Am I just being obtuse?

5 hours ago, Khudzlin said:

I've never seen a language more difficult to read and spell than English. And I'm French...

Try Japanese. The grammar's relatively simple (need to know different conjugations for levels of honor, but there are only two irregular verbs, so it balances pretty well), but the characters can be quite overwhelming! Pretty much every Kanji has multiple possible readings, and every reading has multiple possible Kanji!

For me, the only problem spelling in japanese, are long vowels, and trying to differentiate between "j" and "y", but every letter is pronounced always the same way so the spelling in general, is really easy (always talking from a transcription point, I know ideograms have onyomi and kunyomi pronunciations, and some particles in hiragana don't represent their actual pronunciation)..

About the difference between "lose" and "loose", I learnt it when I was a kid in school, and only recently i've been wondering if I was wrong, since most of the people I read it from, usually misspell it. And they are generally english speakers.

2 hours ago, Barbacuo said:

About the difference between "lose" and "loose", I learnt it when I was a kid in school, and only recently i've been wondering if I was wrong, since most of the people I read it from, usually misspell it. And they are generally english speakers.

No, you probably have it right. It's just English is so hard to spell correctly, even its native speakers often get it wrong.

Stupid Tower of Babel!!!

French is hard from the start (you think english has a lot oof irregular verbs? Ha!), but doesn't get that much harder afterwards.

English starts easy. Sure, you make a few errors here and there, but nothing that will impair communication... And things just go downhill from there. Grammar, spelling and exceptions are just waiting around the corner to surprise you and remind you how bad you are at english. I have a deep respect for english poets for this very reason. It's one thing to write in english, it's another to write beautifully and correctly.

Édit: my autocorrect tries to make me write in french...

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12 hours ago, Tetsuhiko said:

Édit: my autocorrect tries to make me write in french...

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

My biggest pet peeves regarding people's English mistakes:

-When people write "should of" instead of "should have". I get where it comes from; people say "should've", and some folks think they're saying "should of". Still, when I see it, it always makes me feel like it's a young child 'speaking'.

-"For all intensive purposes". I see this a lot, and it drives me nuts. The phrase is actually "for all intents and purposes".

-I know this one has officially been lost, as it's in dictionaries now, but it still grates on me: "irregardless". Boo! Boo, I say! The word is "regardless". Adding an "ir" and still having the same meaning is pointless and confusing. (Yes, I know that "flammable" and "inflammable" are the same thing. That's also annoying and silly, but it's been that way for a long time).

Here's another one that makes me twitch every time I read it.

"Pouring over" involves a liquid, "Poring over" involves careful study.

"The professor was pouring over a text" implies jugs of water and a ruined text...

More and more, I notice people saying, "I could care less," which is rather irritating. The phrase is, "I couldn't (or could not) care less."

The former may technically be more accurate, but it's generally not the meaning people intend with this phrase.

I think this video is applicable for this thread. XD

Word Crimes

Word crimes- Literally vs figuratively: A person walked into the break room the other day at work and said "There's literally nobody in here". I said "Yeah... except you and I". :P

23 minutes ago, HirumaShigure said:

Word crimes- Literally vs figuratively: A person walked into the break room the other day at work and said "There's literally nobody in here". I said "Yeah... except you and I". :P

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