Vassal Summer Tourney 2017 - Round 2

By Green Knight, in Star Wars: Armada Organized Play

45 minutes ago, Dorrin314 said:

Unless you let the ship die, Rieekan is optional.

What do you mean by optional?

4 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

What do you mean by optional?

The Argument that all Upgrade Cards are optional unless stated to be otherwise.

I am of one that believes otherwise.

Since the only trigger on Rieekan is "When", and there's no optional status in the "When" trigger, which there is in the "While" trigger.

Edited by Drasnighta
13 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

The Argument that all Upgrade Cards are optional unless stated to be otherwise.

I am of one that believes otherwise.

Since the only trigger on Rieekan is "When", and there's no optional status in the "When" trigger, which there is in the "While" trigger.

You mean people claim that you have the option to not use Rieekan's ability? The wording on his card seems more a statement/command then anything else. Odd. How does that work in tournaments? Does it depend on the TO (is that the right name/title?) to rule one way or another?

12 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

You mean people claim that you have the option to not use Rieekan's ability? The wording on his card seems more a statement/command then anything else. Odd. How does that work in tournaments? Does it depend on the TO (is that the right name/title?) to rule one way or another?

TO is the vernacular term.

Officially, its Organizer / Marshal / Judge, depending on position

- And they only have to make a "ruling" if there is a dispute. If two palyers play each other and agree, No Judge Involvement required.

10 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

You mean people claim that you have the option to not use Rieekan's ability? The wording on his card seems more a statement/command then anything else. Odd. How does that work in tournaments? Does it depend on the TO (is that the right name/title?) to rule one way or another?

The reason for this is a bad (stupid) wording in the RRG.

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• Resolving an upgrade card effect is optional unless otherwise specifed. All other card effects are mandatory unless otherwise specifed.

If the card does not has the word "must" (or similar) it is optional.
This is the first time that i read it in this way in rules. Normally it the other way around. " All effects are mandatory unless otherwise specified ". But because it it not, this is causing this confusion about some of the cards, and how they are ruled (best example: Errata for Jamming Field). It would have made so much easier, because a lot of cards with optional effects (clearly optional) have already the wording " may ".

So if Rieekan does not has the wording must or similar, it is optional (sound stupid on a card like Rieekan....).
But if this rule count for Rieekan, could it as well count for a card like Motti? And how will it be ruled if someone say, i am not using the effect from Motti anymore :D .

Maybe it would better to continue in the rules forum, in the thread about exactly this combination ;) .

@Green Knight

We the people of this tournament in order to become more perfect players... demand the next round! ;)

4 minutes ago, Darth Veggie said:

@Green Knight

We the people of this tournament in order to become more perfect players... demand the next round! ;)

Don't worry about it so much. Lots of European players are going to be busy at European Championships. I'd rather GK just give two full weeks from the next start date than force him to schedule early.

6 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

Don't worry about it so much. Lots of European players are going to be busy at European Championships. I'd rather GK just give two full weeks from the next start date than force him to schedule early.

Except for those of us that lose the ability to play for two weeks after the weekend. It's possible I'll have to miss two rounds. Unless I get paired with @Tokra and convince him to come to Berlin while I'm there. ;)

Match 20: Matt vs Silent Steve was not scheduled and played. Both players awarded 0 pts (they were matched, so cannot be matched again).

Note that I had to add 2 Dummy players to get the results correct, as Cryodex doesn't support unplayed games.

Round 2

1: @Roquax VS @Tokra - Match Results: @Tokra is the winner
2: @Matt Antilles VS @Paindemic7708 - Match Results: @Matt Antilles is the winner 400 to 40
3: @Darth Veggie VS @Rocco79 - Match Results: @Darth Veggie is the winner 277 to 123
4: @Truthiness VS @pt106 - Match Results: @Truthiness is the winner 188 to 152
5: @Lord Preyer VS @MrScience - Match Results: @Lord Preyer is the winner
6: @SkyCake VS @fullmetal2017 - Match Results: @SkyCake is the winner
7: @Plagueis VS @BrobaFett - Match Results: @Plagueis is the winner 269 to 133
8: @Dorrin314 VS @doobleg - Match Results: @Dorrin314 is the winner 400 to 0
9: @BiggsIRL VS @CaribbeanNinja - Match Results: @BiggsIRL is the winner 124 to 101
10: @JJs Juggernaut VS @Villakarvarousku - Match Results: @JJs Juggernaut is the winner 277 to 196
11: @moodswing5537 VS @drdoom28704 - Match Results: @moodswing5537 is the winner 203 to 40
12: @ManInTheBox VS @Irishmadcat - Match Results: @ManInTheBox is the winner 263 to 257
13: @Maturin VS @PodRacer - Match Results: @Maturin is the winner 5 to 0
14: @NebulonB VS @thecactusman17 - Match Results: @thecactusman17 is the winner 155 to 368
15: @itzSteve VS @RStan - Match Results: @RStan is the winner 158 to 229
16: @Ginkapo VS @comatose - Match Results: @comatose is the winner 0 to 400
17: @ThrawnsMB VS @Aresius - Match Results: @Aresius is the winner
18: @Green Squadron 3 VS @Dr Alex - Match Results: @Green Squadron 3 is the winner 415 to 329
19: @Undeadguy VS @GiledPallaeon - Match Results: @Undeadguy is the winner 318 to 45
20: @MattShadowlord VS #Dummy1 - Match Results: #Dummy1 is the winner
21: @Visovics VS @Hystarr - Match Results: @Visovics is the winner 400 to 47
22: @SoonerTed VS @emfrank - Match Results: @SoonerTed is the winner 197 to 161
@Lyraeus has a BYE
23: @SilentSteve VS #Dummy2 - Match Results: #Dummy2 is the winner

Rankings

Rank Name Score MoV SoS
1 @Matt Antilles 20 760 1.3333333333333333
2 @Darth Veggie 18 554 2.5555555555555554
3 @Dorrin314 18 540 2.222222222222222
4 @Tokra 18 476 1.2222222222222223
5 @SkyCake 16 347 2.0
6 @Lord Preyer 16 341 2.5555555555555554
7 @Truthiness 15 298 2.777777777777778
8 @Plagueis 15 276 1.888888888888889
9 @pt106 14 260 2.111111111111111
10 @moodswing5537 14 202 2.111111111111111
11 @JJs Juggernaut 14 151 2.444444444444444
12 @comatose 13 400 1.888888888888889
13 @BiggsIRL 13 100 1.888888888888889
14 @Rocco79 12 222 2.6666666666666665
15 @thecactusman17 12 213 2.111111111111111
16 @BrobaFett 12 144 3.1111111111111107
17 @CaribbeanNinja 12 94 2.7777777777777772
18 @ManInTheBox 12 65 2.3333333333333335
19 @Paindemic7708 11 384 2.4444444444444446
20 @Visovics 11 353 2.2222222222222223
21 @Undeadguy 11 273 2.111111111111111
22 @Aresius 11 140 2.2777777777777777
23 @Villakarvarousku 11 96 2.4444444444444446
24 @RStan 11 71 2.4444444444444446
25 @Maturin 11 5 2.4444444444444446
26 @Roquax 10 381 2.777777777777778
27 @Green Squadron 3 10 86 2.444444444444444
28 @Irishmadcat 10 0 2.8888888888888893
29 @PodRacer 10 0 2.222222222222222
30 @drdoom28704 9 2 2.6666666666666665
31 @fullmetal2017 8 140 1.7777777777777777
32 @doobleg 8 104 2.777777777777778
33 @itzSteve 8 0 2.444444444444444
34 @SoonerTed 7 36 1.6666666666666667
35 @NebulonB 7 0 2.222222222222222
36 @Dr Alex 6 0 2.4444444444444446
37 @Ginkapo 5 0 2.888888888888889
38 @emfrank 5 0 2.4444444444444446
39 @GiledPallaeon 4 0 2.777777777777778
40 @Hystarr 2 0 2.444444444444444
41 @SilentSteve 1 0 4.888888888888889
42 @MattShadowlord 1 0 4.666666666666667
Edited by Green Knight