10 minutes ago, VanderLegion said:

People act like there's nothing coming. Sure, we've had no real news in a while, but we're already waiting for a wave release and a c-roc, so it's not like x-wing is being ignored and getting no product.

please take your logic and reason and begone.

Maybe they're tired of X-wing fans. Since we obsess over every detail and whine about nerfs and FAQ's and news release cycles. When there's a lot of release announcements we post things like "Is X-wing Growing Too FAST!?" and rush to complain about playtesting and mechanics accretion. When there's a slight news drought we post threads like these.

How is this even a lull? We're still getting 2 waves a year. We're still getting stuff in between.

The release schedule is exactly the same as it's always been.

Oh, did they skip a week or two without putting out a release article? So what? Get over yourself.

6 minutes ago, DarthEnderX said:

How is this even a lull? We're still getting 2 waves a year. We're still getting stuff in between.

The release schedule is exactly the same as it's always been.

Oh, did they skip a week or two without putting out a release article? So what? Get over yourself.

Agreed. It's been slow on articles, but we're entirely on track for actual releases. Could even get extra if we get an aces pack or two this year like people are hoping.

Armada would like a word with you.

If they announce an ace pack with X + E-Wing or X + Y-Wing, the forums will explode and this thread will be buried under the jubilation. It would involve FFG playing a long term game for the past several years, but it would reap such a reward for them in terms of profit and adoration.

The fact that actual adults are telling others to "get over themselves " over a plastic space game's lack of news is silly. People in the online forums for X-Wing have largely lost all sense of decorum and community. This place has become poisonous and toxic in general. My local community is great. The forums? Useless as of late.

I came to like all the stuff mentioning Armada.

2 hours ago, Chapperion said:

The fact that actual adults are telling others to "get over themselves " over a plastic space game's lack of news is silly. People in the online forums for X-Wing have largely lost all sense of decorum and community. This place has become poisonous and toxic in general. My local community is great. The forums? Useless as of late.

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3 hours ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

Maybe they're tired of X-wing fans. Since we obsess over every detail and whine about nerfs and FAQ's and news release cycles. When there's a lot of release announcements we post things like "Is X-wing Growing Too FAST!?" and rush to complain about playtesting and mechanics accretion. When there's a slight news drought we post threads like these.

And yes, there's been many times in my professional life that I'd like to fire some of my customers. I'm sure there's days where FFG has that feeling too.

9 hours ago, Lobokai said:

It's been a graveyard for X-Wing anything. I'm all for a slower release cycle. And I get that big things are happening in other games. But at this point I feel deliberately ignored.

They're already trawling the bottom for new ship ideas. It's a successful license, but it isn't a diverse one. They've been running out of ships.

Honestly, kinda surprised we haven't seen the Gunboat yet. There's clearly player demand for it. The TIE Avenger is also on that list of recognizable license properties they haven't used. But, in reality, in a game where we have the Quadjumper, a ship that had mere seconds of screen time, clearly there is a cap on how many expansions FFG feels like it can logically do before it starts cannibalizing its own sales.

New player acquisition in these kinds of games is almost always more profitable than customer retention. Meaning that incrementally selling the average player 1 or 2 new ships per year is less important than a healthy player turnover. As long as new players join the hobby, old ones departing aren't as big of a deal. The more ships you produce, the more you have to design and stock. Plus, retailers aren't going to be super excited about X-Wing increasing its shelf-space requirement unless that is accompanied by strong sales of the entire catalog.

X-Wing is still a fairly young game. They aren't competing with their own secondary market quite yet the way, say, Games Workshop does with 40K, which is a nearly 40 year old game.

5 hours ago, Chapperion said:

The fact that actual adults are telling others to "get over themselves " over a plastic space game's lack of news is silly.

The fact that actual adults are here complaining over a plastic space game's lack of news that doesn't even exist in the first place is silly.

I am happy they are taking their time to make sure things don’t get rushed, and let’s say, give a generic ship an ept(!) and an astro, and a crew, and 2 torps, uber-dial with white sloops, 360 primary turret, 2 agility and 9 hitpoints for 25pt, cause you know that will never be OP. This time we have a small ship with 180 (incl. aux) front arc, two crew slots, and reinforce action(!) for 24pt. Hmm, lets give the elite pilot a "Biggs type ability". Let’s try to avoid any mistakes this time, shall we.....

They may also be doing the numbers, consulting with top players, and perhaps a post Worlds FAQ will appear shortly. Let’s call it "Collect'em bounties", or "Order to the Outer rim" or more plainly "Nerf scum".

Quite frankly I couldn't be happier that we havn't had an article for a while, because the release schedule for X-Wing sped up far too much for Waves 9 and 10, and I want some time for the game to exist before it's changed again. I'm also in no hurry to endure the 'XYZ will kill the game!' nonsense that arises after every single flaming preview, nor the 'Scum OP' and 'Imperials DoA' bilge we're already bombarded with, that will probably only escalate. I'm not even fussed about the C-ROC, since aside from a few particular M3-A pilots, there's nothing good in it.

So no, I don't think FFG are tired of X-Wing, but I imagine they may well be tired of *us* after Worlds, since the community response to that tournament (all aspects) was shocking and disappointing, and we should collectively be ashamed of it.

18 minutes ago, MalusCalibur said:

So no, I don't think FFG are tired of X-Wing, but I imagine they may well be tired of *us* after Worlds, since the community response to that tournament (all aspects) was shocking and disappointing, and we should collectively be ashamed of it.

Ashamed of what ? Being less tolerant of cheaters than FFG?

5 year license running out/extension negotiation?

I know local stores have a ton of stuff on backorder with no eta on arrival of their product...

On 5/15/2017 at 9:30 AM, MenaceNsobriety said:

X-wing is FFGs cash cow so I doubt very seriously they are sick of it. Like others have said we are just in a lull between releases

Eh, maybe. But Destiny probably offers them a much higher profit margin. X-Wing was always going to have a limited time of mass appeal, as there's only so many recognizable ships. A lot of players and customers are less excited for obscure EU ships or new-gen cartoon ships. Destiny, on the other hand, can draw from all three eras (Prequel, OT, NT) and can create cards for people, places, vehicles, weapons, events, and actions whereas X-Wing is limited to Galactic Civil War era starfighters/freighters. Not to mention that Destiny does not require new sculpts and molds with each new release and it uses uniform packaging, making packaging and shipping future releases as easy as the first. And FFG has years worth of Star Wars art already commissioned from their ventures with the LCG, X-Wing, Armada, Imperial Assault, and all the RPGs. CHA-CHING.

RuneWars, on the other hand, is FFG's own IP and does not require a big licensing fee to LFL/Disney, so it's probably also much more profitable per unit sold, now FFG just needs to try an get RuneWars as popular as X-Wing.

L5R, meanwhile, comes ready with a fairly large shake-n-bake playerbase that is known for being fanatics (Exhibit A: the forums here for L5R already have over 20,000 posts -- more than Netrunner's forum and comparable to the forums for the Star Wars LCG and Call of Cthulu LCG, yet L5R won't even release for another 6+ months). Couple that with gamers who dabbled in the game fifteen years ago and are willing to indulge their nostalgia for another go at it and those newer players who will try it for the first time out of affinity for FFG or Samurai-Fiction generally, and it's got potential to get up their with Netrunner and Destiny.

So, X-Wing's "cash cow" status has always been a finite and limited thing, as eventually they'll run out of ships that generate enough broad interest to keep it as their flagship cash cow. So I'm sure FFG is being mindful of the future, like any good business, and I'd guess that FFG would be quite happy to have Destiny, RuneWars, or L5R replace X-Wing's cash cow status (though that is still probably a ways off).

1 minute ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

A lot of players and customers are less excited for obscure EU ships or new-gen cartoon ships.

I'm one of those weirdos who actually likes a lot of the old EU stuff so I would be ok with plenty of other things not yet released. Actually it was seeing how much of the EU was already incorporated into the game at the time I was looking that got me interested. Yes, I liked the YV666 and JM5K before I knew about meta, point costs, or any of the actual game mechanic.

I'm sure Destiny and/or Runewars will surpass xwing at some point. That said, I do expect x-wing to linger around even well past it's prime. Maybe not as the flagship line, but as long as Disney is making movies and folks are buying expansions, xwing will have a steady base of a handful of new ships to put out there.

23 hours ago, Chapperion said:

The fact that actual adults are telling others to "get over themselves " over a plastic space game's lack of news is silly. People in the online forums for X-Wing have largely lost all sense of decorum and community. This place has become poisonous and toxic in general. My local community is great. The forums? Useless as of late.

Absolutely. Even at the start of the game, these boards were a wretched hive of scum and villainy compared to other places. The BGG boards were a fantastic and helpful community that made even the early days of the FFG forum look like a cantina full of severed arms. But discussion on the BGG boards and other boards started to die down and people generally all just gravitated here, for centrality.

it's also worth noting that X-Wing is an "old" game, and that most of what there is to talk about has already been talked about to death. In the early days, communities were alive with collaborative discussion about storage solutions, model scales, battle reports, how to build tables (mats weren't a thing for quite a while), custom scenarios, and basic rules questions. But all that new and novel stuff had been discussed. And discussed again. And discussed again. And the fact of the matter is that X-Wing, as an old-game, isn't one where's there much to say on any given day that hasn't already been said. Yet these boards are abuzz with daily discussions because people are passionate and want to talk about the game. But the (hard) truth is that on most days there just isn't that much to say about this game that's worth saying and/or hasn't already been said.

28 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

I'm sure Destiny and/or Runewars will surpass xwing at some point.

I'm just not seeing this. I don't know why people compare Destiny to X wing. Both star wars ip's and owned by ffg but in no way related. People will not quit X wing to play Destiny, which imo is a terribly over-rated game but this is not the time or place for that. X wing is a tactical miniature game, runewars is a far more fair comparison but again these 2 clash in play style and genre so again not direct competition.

What will kill X wing is loss of player interest, not here yet, but it will happen. I can definately see it on the horizon but tomorrow can be a loooong way off or just around the corner it's hard to tell.

Just want to add I grabbed this quote as it was on the bottom, this post was in no way directed at ScummyRebel in particular.

On 15.05.2017 at 3:11 PM, Jo Jo said:

We just had Worlds.

You mean the ones for all of their Star Wars games, where every other game had a good looking participation promo card while X-Wing got garbage done by applying a filter to a movie still, which looks like it was done in around 5 minutes?

I'm not saying X-Wing should get all the attention, but it is the most popular FFG game by a long shot (based on the amount of forum posts- X-Wing is approaching 1mln posts, the second best is edge of the empire with 200k).

The facts are:

a) The quality of X-Wing promo items has been steadily declining over the past year or so, while to the best of my knowledge no such trend has been noticed in other FFG games. Misprints have become basically common and the quality of art itself dimnishes (aforementioned Rey or promo tractors, for example). They've even released promo cluster mines that were noticeably different size and shape to the regular tokens. At this point the fact that a majority of recent promo cards are basically useless for a competitive player (the upcoming EU a proud exception) is barely worth mentioning.

b) We are almost at the 2-month mark since the last meaningful* X-Wing article, and even that one could've literally been a single sentence ("The Jabba card works exactly as everyone expected and costs 5 points"). I'm excluding the FAQ one (which came 3 days after the Jabba announcement) because that one is on the devs, not the marketing department. But even if we do include it, it's still just 3 extra days.

While the "radio silence" is not that big of a deal, the promo quality thing is seriously annoying to me.

*by "meaningful" I mean "something of actual interest for the average X-Wing player". Everything since then has been related to either specific events (Coruscant Invitational and Worlds), aimed at new players (the 101 articles, which are IMHO awful advice for the most part) or aimed at people who are only loosely tied to the X-Wing community (the edge of the empire one)

8 hours ago, LordBlades said:

Ashamed of what ? Being less tolerant of cheaters than FFG?

So intolerant of cheaters, in fact, that I believe the work and family of the cheater were contacted as part of some lynch mob's idea of "justice", and the amount of fuss and threats of harassment like that from the community as a whole is disgraceful. Sure he cheated, and he probably didn't get punished as much as he should have nor do we know if the cheated opponent was adequately compensated. But the solution to that is not to descend to mob rule and try to punish the guy in his real life for something that happened in a game.

Not only that, but the reaction to the winning lists and Top 16 (lacking in any appreciation of player skill or interesting list variance and instead jumping right to the 'it's OP nerf it' so often levelled at the Jumpmaster, Lancer, K-Wing, Mindlink in general etc etc) is almost embarassingly childish and, combined with the almost daily new 'nerf x' threads, has rendered this forum almost unbearable.

At the moment, the X-Wing community is not something I'm proud to be a part of.

26 minutes ago, Elavion said:

You mean the ones for all of their Star Wars games, where every other game had a good looking participation promo card while X-Wing got garbage done by applying a filter to a movie still, which looks like it was done in around 5 minutes?

Anyone who doesn't want their worlds promo card is welcome to send it to me.

Also, FFG's own fanfare around Worlds seemed quite lackluster, especially compared to previous years.

Last year, even while X-Wing Worlds was still a part of their very busy ALL GAMES World's Championship they streamed far more games with commentary on their Twitch feed. This year, they streamed very little X-Wing (was it just the final?) and a single game of Armada. There was very little in the way of projected enthusiasm or hubbub around Worlds, other than "here's the prizes we'll have" article.

Furthermore, the System Open Series events might as well not even happen, given that FFG pays so little attention to them. They talk up the System Open series and encourage the community to vote on parts of the final squads that will be run by the Champions, yet there's no official news from FFG reporting on the System Open series events or their results. I couldn't even tell you whether or not the Final System Open Championship has even happened. I sure as hell don't know who won or what they were flying.

I think this may also contribute to the perceived lack of enthusiasm from FFG.