I've searched, but all I find is "DialGate" stuff...

I've recently been playing Strikers, a lot. With four or five of them on the mat, I start to lose track of which Adaptive Ailerons pre-maneuver "boost" maneuvers I've chosen for each ship, although nothing indicates those choices are immutable. The Title card says "Before revealing your maneuver..."; but is it okay for me to "peek" at its dial just prior to revealing it? This would be especially helpful when an enemy ship has attempted a block or "crowds the lanes", so to speak, doubly so when flying so many of the squirrelly things.

Thanks for your help.

Yes, as long as you check in with your opponent when doing so.

You may check your dial. The thing is to avoid the "dialgate" issues is that you should inform your opponent when you are going to do so and when you do it is best if it can be done in a way that has no chance of allowing you to move the dial.

Bad Form: Grabbing your dial when your opponent is doing something else and holding it in such a way that a little "wiggle" here or there could set the dial to something new.

Good Form: In this case when your ship's turn comes up you inform your opponent you want to look at your dial before "revealing" it so you can make you Adaptive Aileron movement with more information. If possible pick your dial up with two fingers on opposite sides so that it would be nearly impossible to turn the dial.

I was looking at the tournament rules and older versions to see if they elaborated on it. in the last tournament FAQ for X-wing Standard Play Tournament Rules (ver 4.0 4/21/2015) they elaborated on players being allowed to place dials on their pilot card instead of next to the model for Faction Mirror Matches to avoid accidentally picking up an opponent's model. That rule has been omitted in X-wing Tournament Regulations (ver 1.0 4/26/2016). So along with other clarifications for dials it was mentioned previously but has been omitted from subsequent FAQs is dial handling. Apparently this omission occurred when they started to split the FAQ into General, Huge/Epic, and Tournament Rules FAQ.

Taken from X-wing FAQ ver 2.1 7/16/2014 pg 9 under the section competitive play (note: this rule was highlighted in pink text.)

• After the planing phase, if a player wishes to look at one of his dials, he must inform his opponent first. Manipulating dials after the planning phase will not be tolerated.

As you can see that is no where to be found in the current rule set we have as of today.

First and foremost people have to stop being rule lawyer. Yes it say "before revealing" but if you say that you will do your preboost at same time you turn the wheel up, I hope no TO will say it is too late. They used before reveal to prevent trigger each time a manoeuvre is done. Not to play I catch you, you forgot to say you will use advance sensor before turning the wheel up...

42 minutes ago, muribundi said:

First and foremost people have to stop being rule lawyer. Yes it say "before revealing" but if you say that you will do your preboost at same time you turn the wheel up, I hope no TO will say it is too late. They used before reveal to prevent trigger each time a manoeuvre is done. Not to play I catch you, you forgot to say you will use advance sensor before turning the wheel up...

Here I've always had the impression that you MUST maneuver (unless stressed) with AA. If revealing your dial prematurely stopped it why would it seem so mandatory? I guess that if that happens you should call over the TO and demand your opponent be handed a game loss for failing to take a mandatory action while just ignoring that performing the AA maneuver and then the previously revealed maneuver is exactly what would have happened anyways.

1 hour ago, StevenO said:

Here I've always had the impression that you MUST maneuver (unless stressed) with AA. If revealing your dial prematurely stopped it why would it seem so mandatory? I guess that if that happens you should call over the TO and demand your opponent be handed a game loss for failing to take a mandatory action while just ignoring that performing the AA maneuver and then the previously revealed maneuver is exactly what would have happened anyways.

Also (unless they took that out too, no FAQ on hand to check), it's stated that it's the responsibility of both opponents to maintain a valid game state, so you can't really try to catch your opponent red handed for forgetting a mandatory ability as you are equally responsible.

4 hours ago, StevenO said:

Here I've always had the impression that you MUST maneuver (unless stressed) with AA. If revealing your dial prematurely stopped it why would it seem so mandatory? I guess that if that happens you should call over the TO and demand your opponent be handed a game loss for failing to take a mandatory action while just ignoring that performing the AA maneuver and then the previously revealed maneuver is exactly what would have happened anyways.

I've been looking for anything that says that. It wouldn't be under missed opportunities. I mean for one mandatory AA maneuver if it is still the turn you could take it back and default to straight and just accept the new place and treat the action as a missed opportunity. However if the game cannot be taken back that far as to say multiple turns then yes a more server penalty is required but would a match loss be a little excessive?

Just curious but does a TO/Judge/marshal have the authority to "destroy" a ship as a penalty. You forgot to use your mandatory adaptive ailerons 3 turns in a row, that ship is now destroyed, automatic MOV to your opponent.

Now in the case of dialgate destroying the HWK would not be enough. A match loss was the bare minimum (if it was using the 2014 FAQ it would have been a full DQ).

9 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Manipulating dials after the planning phase will not be tolerated.

This would seem to be no longer a rule lol.

Half of the striker players I've met turn the dial over before doing the AA move. Half do it 'properly'. It makes no difference to what actually happens.

10 hours ago, StevenO said:

Here I've always had the impression that you MUST maneuver (unless stressed) with AA. If revealing your dial prematurely stopped it why would it seem so mandatory? I guess that if that happens you should call over the TO and demand your opponent be handed a game loss for failing to take a mandatory action while just ignoring that performing the AA maneuver and then the previously revealed maneuver is exactly what would have happened anyways.

There is not only AA that are "Before Maneuver" . I've had an opponent refuse me to use my Advance Sensor because I had revealed my wheel too fast, when it was clear by my ship being in front of an Obstacle that I would do a Barrel Roll first.

Judge ruled in my favor... Revealing my wheel at the same time my brain is thinking which side I'll Barrel Roll is not "skipping" Advance Sensor. I gain no information and I did not even start my maneuver. Anyway you can look at you dial anytime, if I like to show it to my opponent before "really revealing", this does not change a lot. That is what I call real Rule Lawyering...

7 hours ago, Marinealver said:

I've been looking for anything that says that. It wouldn't be under missed opportunities. I mean for one mandatory AA maneuver if it is still the turn you could take it back and default to straight and just accept the new place and treat the action as a missed opportunity. However if the game cannot be taken back that far as to say multiple turns then yes a more server penalty is required but would a match loss be a little excessive?

Just curious but does a TO/Judge/marshal have the authority to "destroy" a ship as a penalty. You forgot to use your mandatory adaptive ailerons 3 turns in a row, that ship is now destroyed, automatic MOV to your opponent.

Now in the case of dialgate destroying the HWK would not be enough. A match loss was the bare minimum (if it was using the 2014 FAQ it would have been a full DQ).

I mean I guess technically a TO could rule a ship destroyed as punishment mostly because there's nothing stopping them from doing so in the rules (they basically have free reign to do anything). I would argue that it's never appropriate for them to do so unless the ship would have been destroyed by whatever they're ruling on though.

2 hours ago, muribundi said:

There is not only AA that are "Before Maneuver" . I've had an opponent refuse me to use my Advance Sensor because I had revealed my wheel too fast, when it was clear by my ship being in front of an Obstacle that I would do a Barrel Roll first.

Judge ruled in my favor... Revealing my wheel at the same time my brain is thinking which side I'll Barrel Roll is not "skipping" Advance Sensor. I gain no information and I did not even start my maneuver. Anyway you can look at you dial anytime, if I like to show it to my opponent before "really revealing", this does not change a lot. That is what I call real Rule Lawyering...

Adaptive Ailerons is a mandatory requirement, while Advanced Sensors is an optional choice. Depending on the level of the tournament, I would have likely called you on that Advanced sensor issue too. As we enter Store Championship season - it becomes more important to be clear in what you are doing to make sure all is fair and above board and I expect that my opponents will be less likely to give me a break than they do in the local OP kit tournaments.

You have to understand your opponent's persepective of your calling Advanced Sensors after Flipping the dial:

A) You may have truly have intended to do it and just flipped the dial first. This is kind of like forgetting to decloak after your opponent reveals dials and starts moving his ships at the start of a round. As long as I have not rushed, provided enough time and announced that the round was proceeding - it should be treated as a missed opportunity. I have a right the to refuse the action based on that.

- OR -

B) After deciding not to do it, maybe you really changed your mind and decided that now you want to do an Advanced Sensor action as the better choice. Part of that choice may be because you forgot you dialed in a red maneuver and don't want to lose your action or determined that your chosen move will be blocked by your opponent. Again, this is treated as a missed opportunity and I have the right to refuse to let you do it.

Running over obstacles is not a clear reason that I should expect you to use Advanced Sensors, as I have had plenty of opponents take the chance over an obstacle to gain postion or range advantage on my ship.

In any case - as your opponent - I can't determine what you intended to do. I only see what you actually did and have to decide if it was legal or not. The card says you perform the action BEFORE you reveal your maneuver, so that's what you should be doing. The right steps should be to Announce the Advanced Sensors Action before you even touch the dial, complete the action, and then flip your dial. If you need to check it the dial without showing me, I have no problem, but don't flip it and then expect me to allow you to take an action you didn't declare.

6 hours ago, Smitty said:

This would seem to be no longer a rule lol.

Hence why it isn't in the current FAQs, even though at one point it was.

2 hours ago, nigeltastic said:

I mean I guess technically a TO could rule a ship destroyed as punishment mostly because there's nothing stopping them from doing so in the rules (they basically have free reign to do anything). I would argue that it's never appropriate for them to do so unless the ship would have been destroyed by whatever they're ruling on though.

It could be reason if someone forgot enough mandatory triggers that could have changed the game. For example not using Adaptive Ailerons for 2 consecutive turns or not rolling for console fire three turns in a row. Then again some might argue the loss is more appropriate of a penalty.

4 hours ago, Marinealver said:

Hence why it isn't in the current FAQs, even though at one point it was.

I was making a bad joke about the cheating at worlds, i only quoted the not tolerated portion. I'll be quiet now and resume lurking, my joke failed.

23 hours ago, USCGrad90 said:

Adaptive Ailerons is a mandatory requirement, while Advanced Sensors is an optional choice. Depending on the level of the tournament, I would have likely called you on that Advanced sensor issue too. As we enter Store Championship season - it becomes more important to be clear in what you are doing to make sure all is fair and above board and I expect that my opponents will be less likely to give me a break than they do in the local OP kit tournaments.

You have to understand your opponent's persepective of your calling Advanced Sensors after Flipping the dial:

A) You may have truly have intended to do it and just flipped the dial first. This is kind of like forgetting to decloak after your opponent reveals dials and starts moving his ships at the start of a round. As long as I have not rushed, provided enough time and announced that the round was proceeding - it should be treated as a missed opportunity. I have a right the to refuse the action based on that.

- OR -

B) After deciding not to do it, maybe you really changed your mind and decided that now you want to do an Advanced Sensor action as the better choice. Part of that choice may be because you forgot you dialed in a red maneuver and don't want to lose your action or determined that your chosen move will be blocked by your opponent. Again, this is treated as a missed opportunity and I have the right to refuse to let you do it.

Running over obstacles is not a clear reason that I should expect you to use Advanced Sensors, as I have had plenty of opponents take the chance over an obstacle to gain postion or range advantage on my ship.

In any case - as your opponent - I can't determine what you intended to do. I only see what you actually did and have to decide if it was legal or not. The card says you perform the action BEFORE you reveal your maneuver, so that's what you should be doing. The right steps should be to Announce the Advanced Sensors Action before you even touch the dial, complete the action, and then flip your dial. If you need to check it the dial without showing me, I have no problem, but don't flip it and then expect me to allow you to take an action you didn't declare.

AA is optional for Duchess, so the same considerations apply for her.

The "before" qualifier also potentially has timing implications as it will happen before any "when you reveal your dial" interactions (not sure if there are any of these available to the Striker off the top of my head).

1 hour ago, Gberezowsky said:

AA is optional for Duchess, so the same considerations apply for her.

The "before" qualifier also potentially has timing implications as it will happen before any "when you reveal your dial" interactions (not sure if there are any of these available to the Striker off the top of my head).

"Adrenaline Rush" and "Stay on Target" are the only ones that come to mind.