5 dice primary HWK. Eat it and weep!

Jan Ors (25)
Trick Shot (0)
Dorsal Turret (3)
Nien Nunb (1)

Kyle Katarn (21)
Swarm Leader (3)
Dorsal Turret (3)
Hera Syndulla (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Moldy Crow (3)

Green Squadron Pilot (19)
Adaptability (0)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Crack Shot (1)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Green Squadron Pilot (19)
Adaptability (0)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Crack Shot (1)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Total: 100

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11 hours ago, Captain Lackwit said:

If I was in charge of fixing the Crow's canon I could guarantee you it'd be done right.

There is only one other person that surpasses/rivals my knowledge on the Crow, and that's one Millennium Falsehood. He's the guy that made this years ago.

Hell it's why I know the guy, we're buddies. But seriously, if he and I were allowed to sort out the HWK-290? Not only would it be properly sorted out and perfectly finished up.

We'd make **** sure nobody ever wronged the vessel type again.

Nice schematic, though a bit too small, based on DF II cutscenes and the Kanan comic.

17 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Well, when compared to other ships (Y-Wing and X-Wing in particular), the idea of the HWK holding two crew is actually very feasible. Not the most comfortable option, but do able.

as for the size debate, it is one that is not helped by FFG. In x-Wing, it is one size, but in their RPG, it is closer in size to a YT-1300.

Isn't it the HWK-295 in the RPG? Not the 290? My memory is fuzzy.

6 hours ago, Mep said:

Consoles killed PC gaming.

Anyhoo, on the HWK-290, more recent canon sources have it on the larger size than older, non-canon source material is.

@RampancyTW

da heck is a Hwk-295!!???

help me obi-wan katarn-hawk295 your my only hope.

Yes, consoles did kill PC gaming. Back in the day there was Software Etc. and Electronic Boutiques all over the place selling software and games for the PC. Now you just have Game Stop selling console games. The shift was huge once consoles took over gaming. Now PC gaming is down to a few titles outside the few console crossovers and whatever you can get on Steam. Yes, steam has a lot of titles but it is steam or .....

Yes, you had to know a lot to run games on DOS. You had to create your own boot disk for each game, load drivers individually, allocate memory. It really limited the scope of who could use PCs. Hell, even knowing how to use Word Perfect was a big time skill you put on the resume. Now, the only reason you put down knowing how to use MS Office is because you don't have much else to put into the resume. The equivalent these days would be those who know how to mod the their games, note not DLC, and those who have no idea what that even is.

I believe it was JKII that used the quake engine. So eventually Lucas Arts stopped making in house game engines and marked the beginning of their decline.

BTW, The Hawk isn't cannon, not anymore. The U-Wing is now the cannon ship, just like I guess Assassin's Creed is now the best game ever cause old stuff .... you know.

41 minutes ago, RampancyTW said:

Isn't it the HWK-295 in the RPG? Not the 290? My memory is fuzzy.

No, they used the 290. FFG did make up a HWK 1000, which may be what you are thinking of.

16 minutes ago, Mep said:

BTW, The Hawk isn't cannon, not anymore. The U-Wing is now the cannon ship, just like I guess Assassin's Creed is now the best game ever cause old stuff .... you know.

Actually, the HWK 290 is canon. It was used in the Kanan comic book series, which is a canon source.

1 hour ago, Mep said:

the few console crossovers and whatever you can get on Steam. Yes, steam has a lot of titles but it is steam or .....

"In 2012, for example, 379 games were released on Steam. In 2016, that number has leapt to 4207 (ed: emphasis mine)." - Kotaku

Steam is PC gaming right now, the physicality of disc's are a leftover of a bygone age. Brick and Mortar died, not PC Gaming.

Catch up.

If you don't like the "mainstream" store, you can also get indie games via itch.io and many AAA developers just use their own digital distribution methods, such as Origin or Uplay .

1 hour ago, Mep said:

BTW, The Hawk isn't cannon, not anymore.

Kanan Jarrus begs to differ.

3 hours ago, Wiredin said:

5 dice primary HWK. Eat it and weep!

Jan Ors (25)
Trick Shot (0)
Dorsal Turret (3)
Nien Nunb (1)

Kyle Katarn (21)
Swarm Leader (3)
Dorsal Turret (3)
Hera Syndulla (1)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Moldy Crow (3)

Green Squadron Pilot (19)
Adaptability (0)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Crack Shot (1)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Green Squadron Pilot (19)
Adaptability (0)
Chardaan Refit (-2)
Crack Shot (1)
A-Wing Test Pilot (0)

Total: 100

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You sir...

Are a scholar and a hero of the highest order.

Steam is wonderful up until your internet dies. Yeah, steam has done well for itself the past several years but outside the publishers own services, it's the only place to go for games. Seriously, it has only been the past several years. 10 years ago PC gaming was on life support outside of MMOs, which are now on life support.

That ship in the comic, it sure does look like a Hawk but I believe it is something from doctor who, cause it is bigger on the inside.

35 minutes ago, Mep said:

Steam is wonderful up until your internet dies.

Oh FFS, you really don't know how things work, do you? Offline mode is a thing. If you never have a Internet connection to get a game to being with, then sure, maybe you have a problem, but you are in the galaxy far, far away fringe element of PC gamers, nowhere near what a reasonable expectation of the PC gaming community is. Download your games, go into offline mode, and play as much as you want .

More games are being published in one year for the PC than for the entire catalogs of the XBone or PS4 . Combined .

Please, please, please actually do some research and come back with factual information if you plan to continue instead of this insinuation of what you feel is happening, because your opinions so far are devoid of any fact or grounding in reality.

#DisneynotmyStarwars!

50 minutes ago, Mep said:

That ship in the comic, it sure does look like a Hawk but I believe it is something from doctor who, cause it is bigger on the inside.

The "TARDIS Effect" is actually quite common in sci-fi ship design, including Star Wars ships. But it is indeed a HWK 290. A member of the Lucasfilm Story Group has said on twitter that it is safe to assume that old ship names remain the same when brought back unless told otherwise. As shown here:

4 hours ago, SabineKey said:

Nice schematic, though a bit too small, based on DF II cutscenes and the Kanan comic.

That's what Falsehood admits was wrong.

3 hours ago, kris40k said:

"In 2012, for example, 379 games were released on Steam. In 2016, that number has leapt to 4207 (ed: emphasis mine)." - Kotaku

Steam is PC gaming right now, the physicality of disc's are a leftover of a bygone age. Brick and Mortar died, not PC Gaming.

Catch up.

If you don't like the "mainstream" store, you can also get indie games via itch.io and many AAA developers just use their own digital distribution methods, such as Origin or Uplay .

Kanan Jarrus begs to differ.

GOOD MAN bringing that up!

3 hours ago, kris40k said:

Anyhoo, on the HWK-290, more recent canon sources have it on the larger size than older, non-canon source material is.

Agreed laughing, and to be fair, the HWK-290 is still not 29m. It is a bit bigger though. THere is however, a rendition, BLASPHEMY INCOMING that I prefer!

She's bigger and badder in every way but dammit I actually prefer it being done up like this. Geometry's been changed up but it has absolutely everything a personal starship needs. You literally can not go wrong with this iteration at all.

1 hour ago, Mep said:

Steam is wonderful up until your internet dies.

Do you even play PC? *twiddles HOTAS* like really, do you?

3 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

Agreed laughing, and to be fair, the HWK-290 is still not 29m. It is a bit bigger though. THere is however, a rendition, BLASPHEMY INCOMING that I prefer!

She's bigger and badder in every way but dammit I actually prefer it being done up like this. Geometry's been changed up but it has absolutely everything a personal starship needs. You literally can not go wrong with this iteration at all.

Agreed. I like that rendition of the HWK as well. A little tight, but it works for a mercenary/Rebel agent duo.

4 hours ago, Mep said:

Yes, consoles did kill PC gaming. Back in the day there was Software Etc. and Electronic Boutiques all over the place selling software and games for the PC. Now you just have Game Stop selling console games. The shift was huge once consoles took over gaming. Now PC gaming is down to a few titles outside the few console crossovers and whatever you can get on Steam. Yes, steam has a lot of titles but it is steam or .....

My biggest issue with PC gaming, and really gaming in general, is that reliance on a good, strong, internet connection. Most of what I like are the strategy games (Total War) that I don't think play really well on a gamepad but having to get them off of Steam is an exercise in frustration. The last game I bought the "Limited Edition" version at release on disc and the first thing it had to do after I installed it was go online to Steam to verify it and then wait a day for the program to update before I could even start playing; and that is when I had a hard copy of the program! Really hate it when it take days to download a new game.

4 hours ago, Mep said:

I believe it was JKII that used the quake engine. So eventually Lucas Arts stopped making in house game engines and marked the beginning of their decline.

That could be and if I'm honest it was DFIII/JKII where I think the gameplay reached a good enough level.

4 hours ago, Mep said:

Yes, consoles did kill PC gaming. Back in the day there was Software Etc. and Electronic Boutiques all over the place selling software and games for the PC. Now you just have Game Stop selling console games. The shift was huge once consoles took over gaming. Now PC gaming is down to a few titles outside the few console crossovers and whatever you can get on Steam. Yes, steam has a lot of titles but it is steam or .....

Yes, you had to know a lot to run games on DOS. You had to create your own boot disk for each game, load drivers individually, allocate memory. It really limited the scope of who could use PCs. Hell, even knowing how to use Word Perfect was a big time skill you put on the resume. Now, the only reason you put down knowing how to use MS Office is because you don't have much else to put into the resume. The equivalent these days would be those who know how to mod the their games, note not DLC, and those who have no idea what that even is.

I believe it was JKII that used the quake engine. So eventually Lucas Arts stopped making in house game engines and marked the beginning of their decline.

BTW, The Hawk isn't cannon, not anymore. The U-Wing is now the cannon ship, just like I guess Assassin's Creed is now the best game ever cause old stuff .... you know.

I can't believe I'm commenting on PC gaming in a thread about the HWK being "wrong", but here we go:

Consoles didn't kill PC gaming, it just changed it; I have to say I prefer Steam (playable offline if internet is down for single-player experience) over the oddly-misshapen retail boxes of the 1990's. There's just no reason for PC games, many of which are Indie releases now, to push retail space, for the same reason console retail spaces are dying.
I type this from a PC that shares cables with a PS3, PS4, and tablet... all of which I play games on.

PC gaming is alive and strong, it's just changed a lot since the days of DOS, ten-disk installs, and having to reconfigure your entire rig just to pipe a Cacodemon's death-rattle through your Soundblaster.

24 minutes ago, stuffedskullcat said:

I can't believe I'm commenting on PC gaming in a thread about the HWK being "wrong", but here we go:

Consoles didn't kill PC gaming, it just changed it; I have to say I prefer Steam (playable offline if internet is down for single-player experience) over the oddly-misshapen retail boxes of the 1990's. There's just no reason for PC games, many of which are Indie releases now, to push retail space, for the same reason console retail spaces are dying.
I type this from a PC that shares cables with a PS3, PS4, and tablet... all of which I play games on.

PC gaming is alive and strong, it's just changed a lot since the days of DOS, ten-disk installs, and having to reconfigure your entire rig just to pipe a Cacodemon's death-rattle through your Soundblaster.

Amen. My desk too, shares space with an Xbox One and my beloved (though definitely outdated) PC. The Xbox One may be my general go-to, but for years my PC was, even though I once owned a PS3 and Wii U.

Both archetypes are doing great. PC does need to make more out of what it can do, I mean, again *twiddles HOTAS* there are experiences on PC you can't get on Console, and while that's not quite true the other way around, console is genuinely more popular, easier access, and for me personally, has many old friends of mine who I just can't go without.

I may not be able to play Battlefront Extreme on console, but I can't find a Fighter Squadron match on PC.

48 minutes ago, StevenO said:

My biggest issue with PC gaming, and really gaming in general, is that reliance on a good, strong, internet connection. Most of what I like are the strategy games (Total War) that I don't think play really well on a gamepad but having to get them off of Steam is an exercise in frustration. The last game I bought the "Limited Edition" version at release on disc and the first thing it had to do after I installed it was go online to Steam to verify it and then wait a day for the program to update before I could even start playing; and that is when I had a hard copy of the program! Really hate it when it take days to download a new game.

What you mean, according to all these guys steam works great without an internet connection.

Yeah, some games work without an internet connection and sure, my internet is up most of the time. Steam is still internet dependent. Not to bash steam, it did bring PC gaming back from near death, but if steam should ever go poof, PC gaming is really in trouble. That is a huge problem right there. It really is the only show in town. It is a far cry when every department store, every electronics store and a whole bunch of specialized stores carried PC games.

GOG is a thing, too.

The curious thing about Dark Forces for me is artstyle. Some levels are amazing, while others are just dull. Ultimately that is what turned me off the game, not its aged fidelity. Doom, while weaker in technology, just has a stronger aesthetic for me.

Seriously guys, take it somewhere else.

I came into this thread to discuss an awesome ship, not about the console/PC war. I stopped comparing them when I was 15, when I realised I didn't care and just enjoyed them both.

OT - I'm not sure we'll ever get fixes for the 290, but it can be made to work effectively so perhaps we just need to keep being inventive with it?

Could they introduce the Raven's Claw?

47 minutes ago, SDCC said:

Seriously guys, take it somewhere else.

I came into this thread to discuss an awesome ship, not about the console/PC war. I stopped comparing them when I was 15, when I realised I didn't care and just enjoyed them both.

OT - I'm not sure we'll ever get fixes for the 290, but it can be made to work effectively so perhaps we just need to keep being inventive with it?

Could they introduce the Raven's Claw?

No idea how we got into Console VS PC.

I refuse the claw though

5 minutes ago, Captain Lackwit said:

I refuse the claw though

I'm not saying I think it should go in; to my eye it's a try-hard and ultimately inferior attempt at recreating the HWK in a 'cooler'way.

But FFG have brought in some pretty unique ships so it's not completely off the cards.

Current favoured HWK build...

Torkil Mux - TLT, Vectored Thrusters, Moldy Crow = 30 points

Lean to balance out the TLT cost (have considered Dorsal Turret), but Mux's ability puts a pretty big target on him I've found, so I either go cheaper or go all in to make him more survivable.

The Raven's Claw is Kyle Katarn's midlife crisis ride. Some get motorcycles, muscle cars, convertibles, etc. Kyle took that suped up monstrosity.

1 hour ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

The Raven's Claw is Kyle Katarn's midlife crisis ride. Some get motorcycles, muscle cars, convertibles, etc. Kyle took that suped up monstrosity.

Thats the answer then, ffg release the claw!!