Ehh, that guy's just another troll trying to derail conversation. Not even a very good troll either, way too obvious and quite boring. *sigh* I miss the good ol' days of trolling....

2 hours ago, Hockeyzombie said:

...You understand the data is coming largely from ****ing Worlds, right? And the list that has people upset absolutely dominated it. The only counter anyone's found is "play the same thing and do it better," which is pretty clear proof given how long people have had to develop a counter.

Yeah just ignore that poster hasn't added anything substantial here or in the locked rebel bias thread. Also feels Worlds is some how just the Minnesota meta.

5 minutes ago, chr335 said:

Yeah just ignore that poster hasn't added anything substantial here or in the locked rebel bias thread. Also feels Worlds is some how just the Minnesota meta.

Have you tried Rieekan Aceholes yet? Either played against it or played with it? Instead of just dismissing it as a 'local meta' thing?

Because, man... it really is a kick in the balls. It's so easy to pilot, and presents opposing lists with so many bad choices, that it is simply no fun.

5 minutes ago, iamfanboy said:

Have you tried Rieekan Aceholes yet? Either played against it or played with it? Instead of just dismissing it as a 'local meta' thing?

Because, man... it really is a kick in the balls. It's so easy to pilot, and presents opposing lists with so many bad choices, that it is simply no fun.

And that's when it's being flown aggressively. When it's being flown defensively, you're left with no meaningful way to approach. And it's powerful enough that it might be worth taking a 6-5 loss to preserve your standing.

5 minutes ago, iamfanboy said:

Have you tried Rieekan Aceholes yet? Either played against it or played with it? Instead of just dismissing it as a 'local meta' thing?

Because, man... it really is a kick in the balls. It's so easy to pilot, and presents opposing lists with so many bad choices, that it is simply no fun.

I never said it was a local meta thing the troll @xerpo said that.

23 minutes ago, chr335 said:

I never said it was a local meta thing the troll @xerpo said that.

Ah, sorry, I derped there - I fell asleep for a moment halfway through the troll's post and didn't realize that was what he was on about. Blame him for being boring.

Being called troll for things people just dont want to hear. If I am a troll I must be a very bad one, Ive seen way more subtle flamers and trolls around that nobody seems to notice.

Rieekan aces list is as old as Rieekan is. The only thing is that apparently in minesota local meta they just discovered it. There are TONS of ways to counter this list starting from a simple RhymerBall of X. Youre all crying over a commander wich is ONLY PRODUCTIVE when youre already losing points. Is so ******* easy to counter this just with activation advantage for instance.

The crys over the rebel stuff in this forums suddenly turns into big snowballs of hate for no reason at all. Kill the messenger if you like I give a **** actually.

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

I must be a very bad one, Ive seen way more subtle flamers and trolls around that nobody seems to notice.

You are right. You are a bad one and there are several better.

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

Rieekan aces list is as old as Rieekan is. The only thing is that apparently in minesota local meta they just discovered it.

The "local of minesota" was full of Canadian players. One of them actually won. It seems some people only hold two positions: there is a meta; there is not a meta. Yes, the World can be not too "worldwide" but is more than a local/regional tournament. I don't agree with the there-is-a-meta argument but not being concerned about how well Riekan+134aces+flotillas works seems stupid IMHO.

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

There are TONS of ways to counter this list starting from a simple RhymerBall of X.

First: this only agree that the 134 of squadrons are the main problem and the only way to fight them is with your own 134 of squadrons.

Second: some people are trying to gather fleets data of the tournament for a deeper analysis but I am sure there were several Rhymer balls. No one reached the top 4. However I could be wrong.

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

Youre all crying over a commander wich is ONLY PRODUCTIVE when youre already losing points.

This is only partially true. Of course if you loose Yavaris in exchange of, let's say, Demo, your MoV won't be big but those fleet didn't get too much use of Riekan on ships. I suppose they did with squasrons (aces) so they would be changing Luke (20) for 4-6 damage through shields over whatever. Add the rest of double tapping and other attacks and the numbers will be there. I never saw anyone killing 134 on squadrons in one round. I already see 134 points of squadron killing more than 134 points on ships.

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

Is so ******* easy to counter this just with activation advantage for instance.

Did you notice that the fleet discussed has 5 activations and 9 drops?

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

The crys over the rebel stuff in this forums suddenly turns into big snowballs of hate for no reason at all. Kill the messenger if you like I give a **** actually.

The "crys" were about several things. Squadrons and flotillas actually, not necessarily rebel. Riekan's fleet just put those together and the fact that there were not similar imperial fleets in the top 4 pointed to Riekan as a new piece.

The forum was full of hate and not quite respectful posts not long ago. I have to admit that I was not following the last threads too closely but I think almost everyone will agree about the fact that, hopefully, the debates turn into more civilized and constructive discussions. You can put yourself a medal for closing one of the good ones.

Not everyone agree about if there is a problem or not. Even between who see a problem, there are differences about what is the problem exactly.

Don't you agree? Perfect! Read, laugh, roll your eyes and move one.

Do you want to share your thoughts? Perfect too, as long as those thoughts were not things like this:

TL;DR: lurk more (or troll better)

Now that @xerpo is back, I'm setting the over/under on this thread being locked at page 7.

I'm taking the under.

2 hours ago, xerpo said:

Being called troll for things people just dont want to hear. If I am a troll I must be a very bad one, Ive seen way more subtle flamers and trolls around that nobody seems to notice.

Rieekan aces list is as old as Rieekan is. The only thing is that apparently in minesota local meta they just discovered it. There are TONS of ways to counter this list starting from a simple RhymerBall of X. Youre all crying over a commander wich is ONLY PRODUCTIVE when youre already losing points. Is so ******* easy to counter this just with activation advantage for instance.

The crys over the rebel stuff in this forums suddenly turns into big snowballs of hate for no reason at all. Kill the messenger if you like I give a **** actually.

You're a very high strung individual. I bet you're a blast to play Armada with.

I think xerpo reminds me of that bladewing game from last year.

I personally would rather see new rules introduced rather than a nerf to existing cards or power creep in future waves. Some examples would be:

Introducing the ability to pass.

No more lifeboats.

You are considered tabled if all you have left are flotillas.

1 minute ago, LordTesla said:

I personally would rather see new rules introduced rather than a nerf to existing cards or power creep in future waves. Some examples would be:

Introducing the ability to pass.

No more lifeboats.

You are considered tabled if all you have left are flotillas.

That's why the first thing I suggested trying was the last rule you mentioned.

It gives admirals who DON'T use flotillas a path to victory, and makes using 2 ships + 3 flotillas a high-risk, high-reward strategy, without penalizing someone who just wants one or two to push a small fighter screen.

But there's still the Rieekan Ramming list in the wings full of CR90 Engine Tech ships, which will probably get worse when the Hammerheads and boarding parties hit the table - I think several top 16 lists at Worlds were Rieekan Ramming, not Aceholes. That's why a Rieekan nerf is also reasonable, to futureproof the game against THAT getting out of hand.

58 minutes ago, thestag said:

Now that @xerpo is back, I'm setting the over/under on this thread being locked at page 7.

I'm taking the under.

Under for sure. Reporting and yelling Troll 3 times should do it.

2 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Under for sure. Reporting and yelling Troll 3 times should do it.

Just like Beetlejuice.

Nah just ignore him and continue the discussion.

12 hours ago, WuFame said:

You're a very high strung individual. I bet you're a blast to play Armada with.

It's ParaGoombaSlayer all over again, although at least Xerpo doesn't post as much as that guy did.

5 hours ago, Hockeyzombie said:

It's ParaGoombaSlayer all over again, although at least Xerpo doesn't post as much as that guy did.

I must have missed paraGoombaSlayer. I was around driving admiralnelson but was just lurkin.

I missed paraGoombaSlayer too. I came in just after Admiralnelson and the next one I can think of worth remembering was bladewing. This has turned into some kind of reminiscing on trolls past thread.

4 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I missed paraGoombaSlayer too. I came in just after Admiralnelson and the next one I can think of worth remembering was bladewing. This has turned into some kind of reminiscing on trolls past thread.

He was on the X-Wing forum.

Ahh that explains how I missed him. Thanks.

15 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

I missed paraGoombaSlayer too. I came in just after Admiralnelson and the next one I can think of worth remembering was bladewing. This has turned into some kind of reminiscing on trolls past thread.

Unlike a lot of trolls, PGS was apparently brave enough to be an asshat in real life as well. Apparently he got banned from all his local stores. That alone makes him stand out in my mind. Most trolls are Internet Tough Guys only.

On 5/19/2017 at 3:42 AM, chr335 said:

I must have missed paraGoombaSlayer. I was around driving admiralnelson but was just lurkin.

Not unless you also visit the X-Wing forums. He was on there a lot, constantly raging about turrets and basically any half-decent list he didn't like. Also the prequels. I'm pretty sure he has a condition or something, it isn't normal to get that angry over a miniatures game. He got banned from not only the forums but also most/all of the local stores where he lived. Last time I saw him he was on Reddit, ranting about how we banned him from our hugbox for being right too often. Cause, you know, it's not the FFG admins who ban people and it couldn't possibly have been his incredibly toxic attitude and hostility to new players.

On 18/5/2017 at 1:36 AM, chr335 said:

I never said it was a local meta thing the troll @xerpo said that.

Im so sick of you particularily callling me troll, the rest at least contribute with some arguments. Beside this comment of yours dose not give anything new, ill ¿¿troll?? away, and contribute with some new arguments of my thoughts. Since now saying what you think is trolling apparently.

I Think it is a local meta because the people playing the minesota regional dont differ much from people playing the worlds, say, the same + 20 guys from around?

Giving the name of Worlds to this grants a global repercussion that it should not have, and a feedback to FFG that it should not give. Why does, berlin, london birmingham, madrid, sydney, tokyo, rome, florence, munich, paris, hell any ******* town out there in the ACTUAL world suffer a nerf on riekan when the meta there is not even close to riekan just because 80 US guys and 20 canadians (aproximate numbers) just discovered riekan in a single tournament?, As I told you, in my local meta we have been playing riekan this way since it came out, it was a big deal then and it is now, but nothing new to go crazy about, and as I said and ignored previously, it has tons of counters starting with rhymmer wich is the DIRECT counter of Gallant Heaven and ANY NeB sidehull wich include Yavaris. That makes me think if "worlds" are maybe going a few step backwards compared to other places, again, out there, in the actual world.

Take rules. Check distance.