5 hours ago, Union said:

These kids are having fun. Telling them they could have more fun playing Imperial Assault would be wrong.

Let me tell you a story about another FFG game. I play the BSG board game a lot with my RL friends and I think between Colonel Tigh's two abilities we've used them literally once (I think) (also his set of skill cards and his drawback are noticeably worse than average). Despite that two of my friends have him on the short list of heroes to play by default, not because they don't understand that he's bad but because:

• he's the favorite character from the show of one of them (who likes to get invested in psuedo roleplaying aspect of the game)
• the other has power fantasies of when she might actually get to use his miracle ability and be both president and admiral (the reason this doesn't happen is that the mechanics of the game mean that the president and admiral being different people is usually to the benefit of the group to the extent that anyone who unilaterally decided to use the ability would be assumed to be a cylon and brigged)

I have two points here:

1. Your apparent assertion here that people have most fun when they play in the way that makes them most likely to win simply isn't true for a lot of people
2. Let's hypothetically accept that any end goal you could want to accomplish with Loku could be done better with another hero, there are equivalent things that are much worse than him and putting the label of useless of him undermines that.

(Honestly I've been thinking of this since I saw how this thread has evolved and I'm just happy to have an excuse to mention it).

17 hours ago, Union said:

These kids are having fun. Telling them they could have more fun playing Imperial Assault would be wrong.

To be fair, cleanup does look a lot easier.

34 minutes ago, subtrendy said:

To be fair, cleanup does look a lot easier.

...and the cups look to be the same size. No difference in degree of difficulty.

On 2017-05-19 at 0:14 AM, Norgrath said:

1. Your apparent assertion here that people have most fun when they play in the way that makes them most likely to win simply isn't true for a lot of people
2. Let's hypothetically accept that any end goal you could want to accomplish with Loku could be done better with another hero, there are equivalent things that are much worse than him and putting the label of useless of him undermines that.

(Honestly I've been thinking of this since I saw how this thread has evolved and I'm just happy to have an excuse to mention it).

1: There are games better suited to that which they would enjoy more. See Edge of the Empire, still FFG and still Star Wars.

2: No. He's useless unless your goal is to lose harder.

this is over. no more opinions, THIS THREAD IS OVER! go do other stuff.

11 hours ago, Union said:

1: There are games better suited to that which they would enjoy more. See Edge of the Empire, still FFG and still Star Wars.

2: No. He's useless unless your goal is to lose harder.

1: That's a great point! There are also some that are worse. They should definitely play Imperial Assault instead of all the worse games they could play.

2: Nothing is without use. You, for instance, are very useful when someone wants to argue about entirely subjective things like how a game makes someone "feel", and if they're having "fun".

On 5/22/2017 at 3:04 PM, ATM2100 said:

this is over. no more opinions, THIS THREAD IS OVER! go do other stuff.

yes, mien Fuhrer.

please don't send us to the front.

23 hours ago, DarthJak said:

yes, mien Fuhrer.

please don't send us to the front.

you rang?