1 hour ago, Estarriol said:

I hate this. The one thing everyone says is how great the x-wing community is yet we've got a nice lynch mob going on here and Facebook and probably Reddit for all I know.

Just move on, guys.

I think most are having this reaction since there was practically no punishment from FFG. If FFG banned him from worlds or if he truly felt sorry and dropped, then it wouldn't be this bad of a reaction from the community.

18 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Saying "what" over and over doesn't help me respond to you, but as you don't seem to understand anything , all I'll say is it is time to drop it.

If your forum time is devoid of other topics for discussion, there are a ton of nerf threads that need fleshing out.

You have replied to any dissenting opinion with vitriol and snide comments. Instead of actually trying to defend the absurd claims that you presented.

Personally? I think you should probably go for a walk and clear your head. Instead of actually trying to cool down the debate and help people move on, you are instigating it.

3 minutes ago, Tbetts94 said:

I think most are having this reaction since there was practically no punishment from FFG. If FFG banned him from worlds or if he truly felt sorry and dropped, then it wouldn't be this bad of a reaction from the community.

100% this. FFG is the one who needs to fix this. They should be able to tell by now that this guy knew what he was doing, and that its time to take the pressure off TOs and Judges and have set guidelines for behavior at premier events.

2 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

third-party live streams "aren't supposed to be [at these events]"

Help me out here, because I must be reading this incorrectly. Are you saying the community is in the wrong for catching a cheater and cheaters should be allowed to get away with it (if it weren't for us meddling kids)?

6 minutes ago, ObiWonka said:

Help me out here, because I must be reading this incorrectly. Are you saying the community is in the wrong for catching a cheater and cheaters should be allowed to get away with it (if it weren't for us meddling kids)?

From a certain point of view. Yes.

1 minute ago, ObiWonka said:

Help me out here, because I must be reading this incorrectly. Are you saying the community is in the wrong for catching a cheater and cheaters should be allowed to get away with it (if it weren't for us meddling kids)?

Hey Obi - Gold Squadron said that, not me. I'm saying, let's drop it because it's been blown way out of proportion and continued attention will surely result in this guy being harassed irl, as it always does (and I'm sure it's already happened).

Sure, catch the guy. Discipline him. Then move on with your lives.

7 minutes ago, Timathius said:

You have replied to any dissenting opinion with vitriol and snide comments. Instead of actually trying to defend the absurd claims that you presented.

Personally? I think you should probably go for a walk and clear your head. Instead of actually trying to cool down the debate and help people move on, you are instigating it.

It's about time there was some "vitrol" (nice buzz word) thrown back at the creators and perpetuators of these threads.
There have been TWO more threads of this nature created since this one. Mayhaps I'm not the one instigating...

Also, what claims haven't I defended? This is my point: Stop making this such a big deal or the mothership will make this a bigger deal out of fear of real damages . Pretty sure I've stated this over and over in a variety of ways. Do you disagree that this has been blown out of proportion? Do you disagree that continued harassment of this guy (the thread has the guy's name in it, ffs) or the next guy is a bad thing? Do you think that these threads should just be echo-chambers for you and yours? See, I can use buzz-words, too.

idk you from Christ, so it's nothing personal - you're just the one who responds directly to my posts.

3 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Thanks everyone who blew this into a full-fledged conspiracy/act of treason.
As Gold Sq. Podcast says, third-party live streams "aren't supposed to be [at these events]" -- so if this continues to be a ****ing national tragedy to all of you keyboard warriors, FFG will likely squash all live streams going forward.

Moveon.org

Please provide a source that FFG wil squash ALL live streams going forward. Since that is actually impossible I am going to move on. Even if they did so for worlds, you do realize that would be tantamount (sorry for the use of a "Buzz word") to saying "we don't want to show our games so people don't gt caught cheating".

1 hour ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

It's Disney, genius.

You think they want a bunch of SJW embarrassing and chastising an individual that was caught cheating at one of their events?

What if he hurts himself? What if the next guy you all crucify hurts themselves? Disney/Asmodee won't let that happen to their IP.

Please cite any kind of source for these comments. Especially the Disney one, because I am pretty sure they couldn't give a **** less about something this small.

19 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Hey Obi - Gold Squadron said that, not me. I'm saying, let's drop it because it's been blown way out of proportion and continued attention will surely result in this guy being harassed irl, as it always does (and I'm sure it's already happened).

Sure, catch the guy. Discipline him. Then move on with your lives.

It's about time there was some "vitrol" (nice buzz word) thrown back at the creators and perpetuators of these threads.
There have been TWO more threads of this nature created since this one. Mayhaps I'm not the one instigating...

Also, what claims haven't I defended? This is my point: Stop making this such a big deal or the mothership will make this a bigger deal out of fear of real damages . Pretty sure I've stated this over and over in a variety of ways. Do you disagree that this has been blown out of proportion? Do you disagree that continued harassment of this guy (the thread has the guy's name in it, ffs) or the next guy is a bad thing? Do you think that these threads should just be echo-chambers for you and yours? See, I can use buzz-words, too.

idk you from Christ, so it's nothing personal - you're just the one who responds directly to my posts.

Besides those claims which you have not defended outside of attacking people calling you out on them. I don't disagree that Doxxing this guy is of course ridiculous. If you actually read my comments, I lay the blame for this on FFG equally with this clown. I am all for discussion, but you are not discussing. You are simply throwing out scare tactic claims (more buzzwords) that essentially translate to this "GUYS SHHH IF FFG HEARS US THEY ARE GOING TO STOP US HAVING STREAMS ZOMG. AND DISNEY IS GOING TO COME FOR US TOO!". FFG has had people caught cheating on stream before, there was a similar outcry and they still allow streaming at their events.

If you think that the only way to have a discussion about something is to try and subtly insult the other person's intelligence, don't be surprised when people call you out on your ****. If you think that we should move on, then say that and defend that point don't try and intimidate and demean people to get your way.

Cheating? We've been cheated out of a gunboat expansion for almost 11 waves. Now that's an issue!!

3 minutes ago, chervorlovesu said:

Cheating? We've been cheated out of a gunboat expansion for almost 11 waves. Now that's an issue!!

You've been cheated so wave 12 gets the gun boat.... I'm sorry I couldn't resist

It baffles me that this happened...You're on camera! Did he just forget it was a live stream?

3 minutes ago, Timathius said:

Thanks everyone who blew this into a full-fledged conspiracy/act of treason.
As Gold Sq. Podcast says, third-party live streams "aren't supposed to be [at these events]" -- so if this continues to be a ****ing national tragedy to all of you keyboard warriors, FFG will likely squash all live streams going forward.

Moveon.org

4 minutes ago, Timathius said:

Please provide a source that FFG wil squash ALL live streams going forward. Since that is actually impossible I am going to move on. Even if they did so for worlds, you do realize that would be tantamount (sorry for the use of a "Buzz word") to saying "we don't want to show our games so people don't gt caught cheating".

Do you see the word likely ? My reason for saying this is the potential for continued harassment and someone getting hurt, which I have stressed in prior posts. It has nothing to do with catching a cheat, it's everything to do with these threads and everyone taking turns harassing the perp.

6 minutes ago, Timathius said:

It's Disney, genius.

You think they want a bunch of SJW embarrassing and chastising an individual that was caught cheating at one of their events?

What if he hurts himself? What if the next guy you all crucify hurts themselves? Disney/Asmodee won't let that happen to their IP.

6 minutes ago, Timathius said:

Please cite any kind of source for these comments. Especially the Disney one, because I am pretty sure they couldn't give a **** less about something this small.

You're in fact an idiot if you think that any company would allow their actions (i.e. allowing third-party streams) to result in their customers being harassed/threatened. There are anecdotes of people hurting themselves after being doxxed/threatened online. So what are you arguing? What exactly don't you understand -- or are you not drawing parallels between those instances and the potential of this very situation? I emphasized potential so you don't ask me for a source of this having already happened or some ish.

8 minutes ago, Timathius said:

"GUYS SHHH IF FFG HEARS US THEY ARE GOING TO STOP US HAVING STREAMS ZOMG. AND DISNEY IS GOING TO COME FOR US TOO!". FFG has had people caught cheating on stream before, there was a similar outcry and they still allow streaming at their events.

You're spewing enough **** for the both of us.

9 minutes ago, Timathius said:

Besides those claims which you have not defended besides attacking people calling you out on them.

What claims have I not defended?

2 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Do you see the word likely ? My reason for saying this is the potential for continued harassment and someone getting hurt, which I have stressed in prior posts. It has nothing to do with catching a cheat, it's everything to do with these threads and everyone taking turns harassing the perp.

You're in fact an idiot if you think that any company would allow their actions (i.e. allowing third-party streams) to result in their customers being harassed/threatened. There are anecdotes of people hurting themselves after being doxxed/threatened online. So what are you arguing? What exactly don't you understand -- or are you not drawing parallels between those instances and the potential of this very situation? I emphasized potential so you don't ask me for a source of this having already happened or some ish.

You're spewing enough **** for the both of us.

What claims have I not defended?

So, your solution is to harass people in this thread and call them names? You do realize how paradoxical that line of thinking is right?

NOBODY in this thread is calling for this guy to be doxxed. In fact, most have said that its awful that it happened.

You didn't defend your claims though, you just restated them. Disney most likely does not even know that this is happening.

In the end, I think that you are more concerned with being right than doing right. Because of the way you are talking to people in this thread. So, I am going to go ahead and put you on ignore enjoy your day.

1 minute ago, Timathius said:

So, your solution is to harass people in this thread and call them names? You do realize how paradoxical that line of thinking is right?

NOBODY in this thread is calling for this guy to be doxxed. In fact, most have said that its awful that it happened.

You didn't defend your claims though, you just restated them. Disney most likely does not even know that this is happening.

In the end, I think that you are more concerned with being right than doing right. Because of the way you are talking to people in this thread. So, I am going to go ahead and put you on ignore enjoy your day.

You're right. I surrender to your self-imposed morale superiority and welcome being ignorated.
Hopefully this depressing back and forth kills this thread and all others like it.

8 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

You're right. I surrender to your self-imposed morale superiority and welcome being ignorated.
Hopefully this depressing back and forth kills this thread and all others like it.

4 hours ago, DarthRossi said:

"I am altering the dial, pray I do not alter it any further"

Hahaha best comment since decades!!

From what I read, they only thing I got from it was that he was sorry..............................................................................................................For getting caught. I was hoping for sincere but "I was Nervous" come on now, I was nervous so I ate your pizza, I was nervous I threw up on you X-wing collection, etc... Not buying it.

Its over with, but I am still annoyed that all he got was a hand slapped by FFG. FFG needs to rethink and make this right, quite frankly I am worried this might continue with people thinking oh hey I get caught I take a loss, and I still get to play.......

I haven;t watched more than just that clip of the dial change. I'd be interested in whether he picks his dial up early all the time or if that's a clear tag that he was doing something.

The only fair thing a player can do now is petition FFG OP to produce Floor Rules for all Tiers of play.

As for Parker, I expect that many players who find themselves across the table from him simply will not want to play him. That is the only befitting penalty to a cheater, however, it is unfortunate that it would be the X-wing community that would have to do this instead of FFG having banned him from playing in events. That's more headaches for T.O.'s to deal with, not less.

3 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Hey Obi - Gold Squadron said that, not me. I'm saying, let's drop it because it's been blown way out of proportion and continued attention will surely result in this guy being harassed irl, as it always does (and I'm sure it's already happened).

Sure, catch the guy. Discipline him. Then move on with your lives.

Thanks for the clarification. That's also why I referred to a "cheater" without using a name. At this point the conversation needs to move on to how FFG makes this right for their general player base.

Will he go on to write a book "If I Did It: Confessions of a Cheater"?

5 hours ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

The infinite whiny threads over one event in one game have done more damage to the game than any single cheater ever could.

Can we just get a dedicated mob mentality forum for whining about balance and how one guy one time cheated somewhere on earth?

I can get behind this. Great idea.

10 hours ago, Captain Mayhem said:

Apology accepted, Captain Needa

14 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

Purposeful and nervousness can go hand in hand, those are the moments when the temptation to cheat is the biggest. And has FFG rules, he would be an retard to actually confess any intention, because FFG already banned those who confess instead of just handing out a warning.

I am still irritated by the inefficient punishment. FFG judges should get more practise time, better training and proper floor rules.

Indeed, that would have been in my view a real apology for a moment of weakness. Instead he took the advantage he gained. So much for his commitment to fair play.

You're right and how will you provide training, practice time and hard rules for ALL situations to a group of individuals who volunteer (for the majority) to perform these roles?

Want to fix nervousness... Ban the "premium" dials, much much to easy to accidentally fiddle with. They work fine in Armada because each dial only has 4 settings and a 90 degree rotation is very difficult to make accidental..

59 minutes ago, boomaster said:

You're right and how will you provide training, practice time and hard rules for ALL situations to a group of individuals who volunteer (for the majority) to perform these roles?

Want to fix nervousness... Ban the "premium" dials, much much to easy to accidentally fiddle with. They work fine in Armada because each dial only has 4 settings and a 90 degree rotation is very difficult to make accidental..

Yes ban the official FFG licensed product from events.... also any well worn standard dial would spin just as easily. The dials not the problem.

The same way my sports club provided for this. Seminars and workshops for judges, subsidies by tournament and league organisers and other sponsors. Or in other words, invest some money into the judges I plan to use and invest it over several years.

Now the floor rules have basically the same issue. Invest some work hours of OP into them to make them more robust and solid. That is work which has synergies between several game lines on top.

You make it sound like FFG has less resources avaible than a village sports club, while Asmodee is actually a hundred of million heavy gaming publisher conglomerate and one of its major cash cows is actually X-Wing.

@FlyingAnchors Oh the dials are an issue onto themselves, the quality of the dials could be better, because frankly as often as I have turned those stupid things accidently while revealing them ain't funny (standard ones mind you). But that is not an issue with the rules, that is an issue with the materials and you can expect world's participants to assure their gear is working properly … still annoying quality issue with the FFG products.