I just don't get it. What's so **** hard about saying "Sorry guys, I completely freaked out, I realized I'd made an obvious mistake when setting my dial but instead of accepting it or asking my opponent's permission to change it to what I had intended, I just changed it without asking. It was a stupid thing to do, I've never done it before and I never will again. Apologies to my opponent, the judges and the podcasters whose time was wasted due to my mistake".

I mean, his statement looks like someone spent a lot of time refining the language so that it seems as insincere as possible.

Anyway, this situation has been horribly overblown, which is regrettable. What I don't get is the idea that the independent streamers might get into trouble because it was all caught on their stream. Seriously, it's like reacting to a case of robbery getting caught on CCTV by banning CCTV. I hope nobody really considered banning independent streams. This entire situation appears to be one bad decision made by one of the players followed by a series of bad decisions made by FFG. Putting restrictions on independent streaming after this would turn it into a series of catastrophically bad decisions by FFG and turn them into the actual villain in this entire debacle, overshadowing anything Guidry's done.

The infinite whiny threads over one event in one game have done more damage to the game than any single cheater ever could.

Can we just get a dedicated mob mentality forum for whining about balance and how one guy one time cheated somewhere on earth?

I hate this. The one thing everyone says is how great the x-wing community is yet we've got a nice lynch mob going on here and Facebook and probably Reddit for all I know.

Just move on, guys.

7 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

The infinite whiny threads over one event in one game have done more damage to the game than any single cheater ever could.

Can we just get a dedicated mob mentality forum for whining about balance and how one guy one time cheated somewhere on earth?

I think you're in it.

5 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

The infinite whiny threads over one event in one game have done more damage to the game than any single cheater ever could.

Can we just get a dedicated mob mentality forum for whining about balance and how one guy one time cheated somewhere on earth?

No offense but "whiny threads" can't possibly damage the game. How could they? People will quit playing after reading them? FFG will cancel future waves? There's already too much drama in all of this. Don't add to it man.

Not a huge fan of the Gold Squadron Podcast itself (I need immature feuds and shenanigans a la Mynock and Krayt), but I was glad to see the stream up for Worlds and appreciate all the work Dion put into it. If he or any other possible streamer gets barred because the stream provided actual PROOF of cheating then I will have lost a lot of faith in FFG.

Faith that is already wavering in the face of this, might be dramatic here, outrage. But to think he was allowed to STAY and PLAY with people who spent months preparing and their hard earned money traveling and lodging to play fair games there IS outrageous.

As for Parker being "exemplary," here's the definition: ' serving as a desirable model; representing the best of its kind.' At what point do cheater and exemplar ever intersect?

6 hours ago, LordBlades said:

I think this guy genuinely is sorry now.

Possibly not for the cheating itself (most people I know with an 'exemplary record of honesty' don't feel the need to state it and his entire tone seems well rehearsed and somewhat insincere) but most definitely for being caught and the backlash he's currently getting.

I think you are absolutely correct. He's only sorry about being caught.

2 hours ago, DarthRossi said:

"I am altering the dial, pray I do not alter it further"

You have won the internet today.

1 hour ago, Spaceman91 said:

From a pure business point of view it's free advertising for thier games. To ban third party streams when they haven't got enough spare people to stream everything is crazy. It would be a complete own goal of they did it.

It's Disney, genius.

You think they want a bunch of SJW embarrassing and chastising an individual that was caught cheating at one of their events?

What if he hurts himself? What if the next guy you all crucify hurts themselves? Disney/Asmodee won't let that happen to their IP.

26 minutes ago, Estarriol said:

I hate this. The one thing everyone says is how great the x-wing community is yet we've got a nice lynch mob going on here and Facebook and probably Reddit for all I know.

Just move on, guys.

So just ignore it then ? What exactly does that solve. don't like it. don't read the threads then. But it will and should be and needs to be discussed.

Just now, Rinzler in a Tie said:

It's Disney, genius.

You think they want a bunch of SJW embarrassing and chastising an individual that was caught cheating at one of their events?

What if he hurts himself? What if the next guy you all crucify hurts themselves? Disney/Asmodee won't let that happen to their IP.

WTF. This is just idiotic.

1 minute ago, Toqtamish said:

WTF. This is just idiotic.

No it's simply ignorant.

3 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

It's Disney, genius.

You think they want a bunch of SJW embarrassing and chastising an individual that was caught cheating at one of their events?

What if he hurts himself? What if the next guy you all crucify hurts themselves? Disney/Asmodee won't let that happen to their IP.

You might want to read the things I've said before accusing me of "crucifying" the guy.

4 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

WTF. This is just idiotic.

So is this thread. But here we are.

1 minute ago, Spaceman91 said:

You might want to read the things I've said before accusing me of "crucifying" the guy.

I never called you out specifically, oh-observant-one.

Others have and continue to make this seem like a twisted crime worthy of unending punishment.

1)Terrible apology.

2)FFG needs floor rules.

3) Thanks Dion for putting it out there.

4) People need to calm down on both sides of this.

5) its time to move on.

And I don't know wtf Rinzler is talking about.

24 minutes ago, Lightrock said:

No offense but "whiny threads" can't possibly damage the game. How could they? People will quit playing after reading them? FFG will cancel future waves? There's already too much drama in all of this. Don't add to it man.

A game is built on trust between the two people playing it. Trust that if you bump my ship while moving it was an accident. Trust that a dial that slipped between two maneuvers really did slip and they didn't just set it that way so they could decide on reveal. It's all trust, no guarantees. Trust comes from our interactions with that person combined with our expectations of players in general.

When you pollute the Xwing forums and pages with infinite accusations of cheating our hindbrains read that as "this is common". They don't know the difference between a true story, speculation, pure fiction or even a repeated story that only happened once. They don't read hundreds of stories about the other games where nobody broke a rule.

So when they sit down at their next casual game night or tournament, and their opponent bumps a ship or touched his dial alarm bells go off in their limbic system. This is unconscious and unavoidable. When you pollute the forums with accusations of cheating you pollute thousands of games everywhere.

Not to mention that if I was a new player thinking of getting into the game and visited the forum anytime in the last week I would never, ever have bought into it. Same if I was a casual player thinking about going to a tournament. I wouldn't want to participate in this poisonous waste of my time.

5 minutes ago, Timathius said:

5) its time to move on.

And I don't know wtf Rinzler is talking about.

Seems to me that you know exactly what I'm talking about.

16 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

It's Disney, genius.

You think they want a bunch of SJW embarrassing and chastising an individual that was caught cheating at one of their events?

What if he hurts himself? What if the next guy you all crucify hurts themselves? Disney/Asmodee won't let that happen to their IP.

WHAT?

2 hours ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Thanks everyone who blew this into a full-fledged conspiracy/act of treason.
As Gold Sq. Podcast says, third-party live streams "aren't supposed to be [at these events]" -- so if this continues to be a ****ing national tragedy to all of you keyboard warriors, FFG will likely squash all live streams going forward.

Moveon.org

WHAT?!?

3 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Seems to me that you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Just because I think its time to move on, does not in anyway shape or form mean we came to that conclusion the same way.

11 minutes ago, Toqtamish said:

So just ignore it then ? What exactly does that solve. don't like it. don't read the threads then. But it will and should be and needs to be discussed.

Not ignore it, but drop the guy from the discussion. It serves no purpose to keep bringing him up except to direct nutjobs who think that "justice needs to be served" his way. Take the opportunity to force FFG to create a good set of guidelines to take pressure of judges and TOs. Thats what we can benefit from here.

I forgive you Parker

2 hours ago, DarthRossi said:

"I am altering the dial, pray I do not alter it further"

From now on it is acceptable to change your dial IF, and only if, you can perfectly nail the Vader voice saying this as you do it.

7 minutes ago, Timathius said:

WHAT?

WHAT?!?

Just because I think its time to move on, does not in anyway shape or form mean we came to that conclusion the same way.

Saying "what" over and over doesn't help me respond to you, but as you don't seem to understand anything , all I'll say is it is time to drop it.

If your forum time is devoid of other topics for discussion, there are a ton of nerf threads that need fleshing out.

13 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

A game is built on trust between the two people playing it. Trust that if you bump my ship while moving it was an accident. Trust that a dial that slipped between two maneuvers really did slip and they didn't just set it that way so they could decide on reveal. It's all trust, no guarantees. Trust comes from our interactions with that person combined with our expectations of players in general.

When you pollute the Xwing forums and pages with infinite accusations of cheating our hindbrains read that as "this is common". They don't know the difference between a true story, speculation, pure fiction or even a repeated story that only happened once. They don't read hundreds of stories about the other games where nobody broke a rule.

So when they sit down at their next casual game night or tournament, and their opponent bumps a ship or touched his dial alarm bells go off in their limbic system. This is unconscious and unavoidable. When you pollute the forums with accusations of cheating you pollute thousands of games everywhere.

Not to mention that if I was a new player thinking of getting into the game and visited the forum anytime in the last week I would never, ever have bought into it. Same if I was a casual player thinking about going to a tournament. I wouldn't want to participate in this poisonous waste of my time.

Aaand more drama. If I was a potential new player who for some reason decided to read through the forums of the game I don't yet play and saw a thread about some guy who got publicly shamed for cheating at the world championship, I'd just shrug and move along.

I might get slightly concerned with threads like "it's time to do something about Xwing's chronic cheating problem" or "if you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough - a guide for beginners". "A guy caught cheating apologizes for his behaviour" doesn't worry me at all. Especially if the community is outraged about it and clear in that cheating is inexcusable. It actually means the community is healthy and the game is fine.

10 minutes ago, Lightrock said:

Aaand more drama. If I was a potential new player who for some reason decided to read through the forums of the game I don't yet play and saw a thread about some guy who got publicly shamed for cheating at the world championship, I'd just shrug and move along.

I might get slightly concerned with threads like "it's time to do something about Xwing's chronic cheating problem" or "if you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough - a guide for beginners". "A guy caught cheating apologizes for his behaviour" doesn't worry me at all. Especially if the community is outraged about it and clear in that cheating is inexcusable. It actually means the community is healthy and the game is fine.

I'm not concerned about one thread saying one guy apologized for breaking rules. I'm concerned about dozens of them occupying the front few pages. This could all have been done in one thread.

Everyone who started a new thread just thought their comment was soooooo important they just had to make sure people read it. None of them said anything that changed anything. They're just increasing the(often unconscious) expectations of common cheating for everyone.