4 hours ago, iamfanboy said:

Tarkin was above average as far as Star Wars books go. It was okay, and at moments fascinating - especially Tarkin's backstory - but at least it didn't make me want to vomit like a lot of the EU books. That middle part of the X-Wing series written by not-Stackpole where Wedge does exactly the same thing as he did in the first X-wing novel ?

That was actually my favorite set of books, and I'm super mad that you have to read Courtship of Princess Leia to finish the arc because that book is such garbage. We should probably have a new thread for this...

12 minutes ago, Alzer said:

That was actually my favorite set of books, and I'm super mad that you have to read Courtship of Princess Leia to finish the arc because that book is such garbage. We should probably have a new thread for this...

Wait which arc from the Rogue Squadron bokks finishes in Courtship?

8 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Wait which arc from the Rogue Squadron bokks finishes in Courtship?

Checking back through the "Preceeded bys" and ignoring novellas and short stories, the last X-Wing novel before Courtship is:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/X-Wing:_Solo_Command

Primarily because Zsinj is defeated in Courtship, but they're still fighting him in Solo Command.

I read about 1/3 of the tarkin book and was board with it and moved on to other books.

6 hours ago, Eggzavier said:

I'm not going to get into an argument with you about which is better, i.e. the new canon or the old canon.

To each their own.

But, that being said, since this is an armada forum and a large amount of Armada content comes from the Old Canon, and most of the foundation of both the old and new expanded universes comes from the Thrawn Trilogy, I still think its a worthwhile read.

Was trying to argue or be oppositional. My point is from wave 3 on imo we will almost exclusively be working from Cannon not legends.

Also @FatherTurin I think it's is a misrepresented by being called a ya.

The Carrion Spike would be a great addition to the game. I've read Tarkin three times. It's a great source book for my thematic approach to Armada in terms of Imperial vessel deployments and tactics.

8 hours ago, Alzer said:

I was just reading that and had to put it down, Courtship of Princess Leia was soooo bad and I've read piles and piles of Legends books. Try the X-Wing Series

I have my last final of the semester tonight, and my end of semester "reward" will be the new Thrawn book.

Anyhow, great call on the CS as an additional imperial ship that can be added in, I'm actually excited for that now.

Thank you!

Oddly enough, as unbelievably awful as Courtship was, it gave us a pretty enduring planet that has become prominent in "new-canon": Dathomir.

17 minutes ago, FatherTurin said:

Oddly enough, as unbelievably awful as Courtship was, it gave us a pretty enduring planet that has become prominent in "new-canon": Dathomir.

Yeah, once they got to the armored-rancor-mounted force-witches that were significantly stronger than Luke I dipped out, but I do like all of the canonical visits to the planet.

New thread for gabbing about Legends books, and I also started a thread about Canon books a couple months ago.

The first Kevin J. Anderson book from The Jedi Academy Trilogy is also a great read, especially the parts that take place in the spice-mines of Kessel. Unfortunately the second and third book are a downhill road from the first.

The Thrawn Trilogy from Timothy Zahn is still the best series that takes place in the starwars universe ever written.

17 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Ive read the aftermath books, catalyst and tarkin. I liked catalyst also and I guess the aftermath books are ok.

So you've read practically nothing...

1 hour ago, Norell said:

So you've read practically nothing...

I think I've read almost all of the cannon books. I'm only missing like 2 or 3 titles which I do plan to read.

Canon-shmanon... Most of Armada and anything we know abot SW comes from the EU. Which is by the way way better than the Disneyverse

19 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Tarkin was a great book and the Carrion Spike sounded like a really cool ship. I am hoping for it to arrive on our tables.

Tarkin is hands down the best Star Wars book I've read. They really nailed his backstory and provided a reason for his harsh personality.

It was a horrible book.

Tarkin's backstory was the only thing remotely acceptable. The rest was utter rubbish.

2 hours ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I think I've read almost all of the cannon books. I'm only missing like 2 or 3 titles which I do plan to read.

The list of cannon books is actually getting rather long.

• Catalyst
• Dark Disciple
• Ahsoka
• Lords of the Sith
• Tarkin
• Thrawn
• A New Dawn
• Lost Stars
• Battlefront: Twilight Company
• "Adventures in Wild Space" series x7
• Servants of the Empire Series x5
• Aftermath Series x3

9 minutes ago, Alzer said:

The list of cannon books is actually getting rather long.

• Catalyst
• Dark Disciple
• Ahsoka
• Lords of the Sith
• Tarkin
• Thrawn
• A New Dawn
• Lost Stars
• Battlefront: Twilight Company
• "Adventures in Wild Space" series x7
• Servants of the Empire Series x5
• Aftermath Series x3

Oh wow. I am ignorant. I had no idea there were so many. I'm interested in the ahsoka book now that I know there is one. I should enjoy it. I heard of battlefront but was told to skip it. There are 3 or 4 others that I never heard of that I will research. Thank you for the list, I appreciate it.

4 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

Oh wow. I am ignorant. I had no idea there were so many. I'm interested in the ahsoka book now that I know there is one. I should enjoy it. I heard of battlefront but was told to skip it. There are 3 or 4 others that I never heard of that I will research. Thank you for the list, I appreciate it.

I got my g/f Ahsoka for her birthday and she has been enjoying it, I look forward to giving it a try as well.

Lords of the Sith was....pretty terrible, but I really enjoyed A New Dawn (the story of Hera and Kanan's meeting)

6 hours ago, Norell said:

Canon-shmanon... Most of Armada and anything we know abot SW comes from the EU. Which is by the way way better than the Disneyverse

Not even close to true

4 hours ago, Alzer said:

The list of cannon books is actually getting rather long.

• Catalyst
• Dark Disciple
• Ahsoka
• Lords of the Sith
• Tarkin
• Thrawn
• A New Dawn
• Lost Stars
• Battlefront: Twilight Company
• "Adventures in Wild Space" series x7
• Servants of the Empire Series x5
• Aftermath Series x3

Missed a couple

Bloodline - the real prequal to E7

Heir to the Jedi

And I am not sure that adventures in wild space or servants are actually Cannon.

32 minutes ago, Tirion said:

Not even close to true

E-Wings, MC30s, about 90% of the ship title cards, everything from Rogues&Villains except Slave-I and the Falcon, all the uniques form CC, all the Imperial uniques except Vader, all the Rebel ones except Biggs, Wedge, Luke, Hera, Dutch and Ketsu, and a series of officer cards.

1 hour ago, Norell said:

E-Wings, MC30s, about 90% of the ship title cards, everything from Rogues&Villains except Slave-I and the Falcon, all the uniques form CC, all the Imperial uniques except Vader, all the Rebel ones except Biggs, Wedge, Luke, Hera, Dutch and Ketsu, and a series of officer cards.

Again not true.

Let's take a look at just the squadrons.

C = Cannon

L = legends

Rebels

Luke-c Wedge-c Biggs -c Rogue -c

X wing - c

Nora - c Dutch - c Gold - c Y - wing - c

Shara - c Tycho - l Green - c

A wing - c

Ten -c Keyan - l Dagger - l B wing - c

Lt Blount - c Z95 - c

Jan -l Hwk - c

Corran - l E wing - l

Ketsu - c Lancer - c

Hera - c Vcx - c

Han - c Yt13 - c

Dash - l Yt14 - c

Nym - l Scurggs - l

Legends - 9 Canon - 24

Imperials

Howlrunner - l Mauler - l Valen - c

Black - l Tie f - c

Major rhymer - l Captain Jonus - l

Gamma - l Tie b - c

Soontir - l Cienna - c Saber - l

Tie I - c

Vader - c Zyrtek - l tempest - l

Tie A - c

Whisper - l Tie p - l

Stele - l Tie d - c

Morna - c Decimator - c

Jendon - L Lambda - c

Ig - c/l agressor - l

bossk - c hounds tooth - c

dengar - c/l jumpmaster - l

fett - c firespray - c

legends 18 Cannon - 17

I counted dengar and ig for each since they are Canon but their ships are not.

Total

Canon - 41 legends - 27

Looking at R&V we can see there is a good amount of Canon not just a couple things. (Again counting some for both). To be honest I expect a lot of these to be Canon in the next 5-10 years, but that is speculation.

Canon - 10 legends - 8

Now let's look at the CC uniques, we can see right away there is Canon stuff here too (I'll even give you a pass on Biggs).

Canon - 9 Legends - 7

So in reality there is more Canon material than not in the CC.

while the imperials have a lot more legends material than the rebels they have a lot more from Canon then just Vader.

Canon - 8 Legends - 15

It's also abundantly clear that the rebels have more than just 6 uniques.

Canon - 14 legends - 7

Again we see double the amount.

Quick run down of ships.

Canon - 12 legends - 3

So not even close there, with 4 times more Canon ships than legends.

If we look at post wave 2.

Canon - 6 Legends -0

And going back to my earlier comment I think most things g oing forward will be from Canon.

On 5/11/2017 at 6:37 PM, Alzer said:

That was actually my favorite set of books, and I'm super mad that you have to read Courtship of Princess Leia to finish the arc because that book is such garbage. We should probably have a new thread for this...

It's a perfectly fine set of stories, and there are several moments in there that made me laugh out loud. My problem is that it's the same plotline as the first three X-Wing novels - "Wedge Antilles gathers together a group of misfits and sets out to defeat the enemies of the Empire." It bothered me viscerally.

The plotline basically ending with Courtship pretty much cinched it for me: There is a gap in my shelf and a time skip to Isard's Revenge.

It's not the WORST of the Star Wars Legends novels, mind. But that's not saying much. There's some real trash in there.

5 hours ago, Tirion said:

Again not true.

*Numbers numbers math math math is this working?*

And going back to my earlier comment I think most things g oing forward will be from Canon.

But you disproved your own point here. A healthy amount of stuff post Wave-1 is Legends material - around 1/3 to 1/4, hardly ignoring the old EU. It's just that they draw from canon first , and THEN Legends if there's nothing interesting - as was the case of the Imperial Squadrons II box and TIE Phantoms.

Yes, most things HAVE been canon in the game, for obvious reasons: An Imperial Star Destroyer is a visceral, immediately recognizable sight. The Strike Cruiser is a lumpy mess that doesn't have much faction identity with the Imperials. The ships chosen fit the 'angry triangles' theme of the Empire, and the 'we have to buy random ships' theme of the Rebellion.

Which is the biggest strike against the Carrion Spike being included: it doesn't fit the theme chosen. I mean, there are several points:

1) It's a one-off prototype ship, not a production model

2) It doesn't 'look' like an Imperial ship

3) The mechanics of large-ship cloaking devices would be... what?

3 hours ago, iamfanboy said:

It's a perfectly fine set of stories, and there are several moments in there that made me laugh out loud. My problem is that it's the same plotline as the first three X-Wing novels - "Wedge Antilles gathers together a group of misfits and sets out to defeat the enemies of the Empire." It bothered me viscerally.

The plotline basically ending with Courtship pretty much cinched it for me: There is a gap in my shelf and a time skip to Isard's Revenge.

It's not the WORST of the Star Wars Legends novels, mind. But that's not saying much. There's some real trash in there.

But you disproved your own point here. A healthy amount of stuff post Wave-1 is Legends material - around 1/3 to 1/4, hardly ignoring the old EU. It's just that they draw from canon first , and THEN Legends if there's nothing interesting - as was the case of the Imperial Squadrons II box and TIE Phantoms.

Yes, most things HAVE been canon in the game, for obvious reasons: An Imperial Star Destroyer is a visceral, immediately recognizable sight. The Strike Cruiser is a lumpy mess that doesn't have much faction identity with the Imperials. The ships chosen fit the 'angry triangles' theme of the Empire, and the 'we have to buy random ships' theme of the Rebellion.

Which is the biggest strike against the Carrion Spike being included: it doesn't fit the theme chosen. I mean, there are several points:

1) It's a one-off prototype ship, not a production model

2) It doesn't 'look' like an Imperial ship

3) The mechanics of large-ship cloaking devices would be... what?

Hence the "most" in my post. So not sure how I disproved my post. And is the math working? yeah I showed that the post I quoted was blatently wrong in many areas with simple math so......

Its funny Lost Stars is the only one I've seen them actually categorise as "Young Adult", but its probably the most ... potentially controversial? of the star wars books I've read. I think the young adult categorisation is to limit the number of people that buy it for their young kids. (Ie they don't want to get in trouble because of the sex).

But I found its definitely one of the most tolerable star wars books. Great depiction of the Empire and what its like especially. You start off thinking WOW - Tarkin - what a legend! But over the course of the book you really get a feel for what the empire really is and how bringing it down is so important.

By comparison, I was someone who bought a lot of the old EU books, but they were the first thing to go when I needed to make some space. They are complete gunge.