Just for funsies, looking at overall totals using my earlier post today as a basis.

11 hours ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

By use of Oracle, searching for shugenja personalities across the CCG's entire history:
Crab- 49 total cards

49 out of 426- rough percentage, 11.5

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Crane- 48

48 out of 435- rough percentage, 11

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Dragon- 81

81 out of 433- about 18.7 percent

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Lion- 36

36 out of 429- 8.4 percent or so.

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Mantis- 88

88 out of 412- about 21.3%

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Phoenix- 292

292 out of 442- About 66%

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Scorpion- 51

51 out of 439- About 11.6%

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Spider- 49

49 out of 244- about 20%

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Unicorn- 76

76 out of 429, for about 17.7%.

No wonder spells were such a weirdly-handled attachment type... especially when one considers that the shugenja numbers for the Crane and Lion in particular spiked in Emperor and Ivory edition... also telling that the Spider had so many, because otherwise the CCG had no mechanisms for Maho.

Oh, and for laughs- Ratlings!

113 Personalities, 21 shugenja... about 18.5%.

So, to put things in order (rounded to 1 dp):

1. Phoenix - 66.1%
2. Mantis - 21.3%
3. Spider - 20.1%
4. Dragon - 18.7%
5. Unicorn - 17.7%
6. Scorpion - 11.6%
7. Crab - 11.5%
8. Crane - 11.0%
9. Lion - 8.4%

Would it be worthwhile doing this for Samurai and Courtier too?

2 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

Would it be worthwhile doing this for Samurai and Courtier too?

Eh, why not. Samurai first!

Note that the Crane and Scorpion in particular often had dual samurai/courtier personalities, and many Crab bushi lacked the Samurai keyword...

Crab: 264 out of 426- about 62%

Crane: 279 out of 435- about 64%.

Dragon: 223 out of 433- about 51.5%.

Lion: 370 out of 429- About 86.2%, or, "Way too many to say these guys understand nuance"

Mantis: 251 out of 412- About 61%.

Phoenix: 119 out of 442- About 27%

Scorpion: 205 out of 439- Around 47%

Spider: 107 out of 244- About 44%

Unicorn: 297 out of 429- About 69%.

Courtier time!

By far and away the lowest turnout overall. The Crane and Scorpion both logged far fewer than I expected.

Crab: 29 out of 426, about 6.8%.

Crane: 112 out of 435- about 25.7%... lower than the Scorpion!

Dragon: 26 out of 433, about 6%.

Lion: 11 out of 429, for about 2.5%.

Mantis: 13 out of 412, for about 3%.

Phoenix: 8 out of 442, for a whopping 1.8%. Suddenly those boneheaded social gaffes the Phoenix kept making in the waning days of AEG's storyline make sense!

Scorpion: 120 out of 439- About 27%. Honestly lower than I expected, but then again, in the CCG, these guys rocked Magistrates quite a bit...

Spider: 18 out of 244- about 7%. Most of them showed up during the Great Clan days, when the Susumu were a thing.

Unicorn: 23 out of 429- about 5%. Yikes. And that's WITH an Ide theme in the last days of the CCG.

Well, Courtiers were the last of the triumvirate added. You had Samurai and Shugenja in the first edition (Imperial, Obsidian? I forget), but I don't think we saw any Courtiers until Gold.

And for the hell of it, Monks!

Crab: 2 out of 426, or "statistically insignificant."

Crane: 3 out of 435. Ditto.

Dragon: 118 out of 433, or about 27% of their total.

Lion: 2. Go home Lion.

Mantis: Exactly one. Okazaki, Breaker of Wills, from Coils of Madness, when just about everybody got a Monk.

Phoenix: 28 out of 442, or roughly 6%.

Scorpion: 2. Not a thing.

Spider: 49 out of 244, about 20%.

Unicorn: Tsiang the Benevolent, from Coils of Madness.

Unaligned was 129 out of 678 for about 19% shugenja.

4631 personalities total with 942 shugenja total for about 20% of all personalities were shugenja.

A few comparisons for attachments:

2159 total attachments

845 items 39% of attachments, 46 of which were shugenja/spell focused.

749 Followers 41 of which were shugenja/spell focused.

565 Spells for 26% of attachments

Ooooo, time for a fun one.... Shadowlands! This includes KYD, Tainted heroes like Tadaka, Crab Berserkers...

Crab: 19 out of 426, about 4%.

Crane: 2 out of 435, but come onnnnnnn, Yajinden should count for like, seventy...

Dragon: 3 out 433. Not a thing.

Lion: 9 out 429, about 2%. Color me surprised! GET WITH THE SEPPUKU, KITTYCATS!

Mantis: 7 out of 412- about 1.6%

Phoenix: 15 out of 442, about 3%.

Scorpion: 6 out of 439, or around 1%.

Spider: 168 out of 244, or about 69% of their total. No shock, and it includes such luminaries as Isawa Fosuta, Daigotsu (CRAAAAAAANE) Shimekiri, Daigotsu/Asahina Yajinden, Daigotsu/Tamori Shaiko...

Unicorn: 3 total. Percentage irrelevant.

10 minutes ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

Ooooo, time for a fun one.... Shadowlands! This includes KYD, Tainted heroes like Tadaka, Crab Berserkers...

Spider: 168 out of 244, or about 69% of their total. No shock, and it includes such luminaries as Isawa Fosuta, Daigotsu (CRAAAAAAANE) Shimekiri, Daigotsu/Asahina Yajinden, Daigotsu/Tamori Shaiko...

This is actually quite intriguing: despite all the slurs to the contrary, almost 1/3rd of Spider were not tainted.

These are great fun to look at! Thank you

Would the consensus be that these percentages hold true* for the LCG?

*For the most part, roughly

I'd be surprised if the percentages hold true, but I think the general hierarchy will:

Bushi: Crab, Lion > Crane, Unicorn > Dragon, Scorpion > Phoenix

Courtier: Crane, Scorpion > Crab, Dragon > Unicorn > Lion > Phoenix

Monk: Dragon > Phoenix > Crab, Crane, Lion, Scorpion > Unicorn

Shugenja: Phoenix > Dragon, Unicorn > Crab, Crane, Scorpion > Lion

Tonbo Karasu,

I agree with your hierarchy listing above. Specifically the 'tiers' among the hierarchy, and the order of Clans.

Well done.

EDIT: This type of hierarchy could very well support new players who are getting into the game, by giving them an estimation as to how each Clan is structured in regards to their 'specialties.'

4 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

This is actually quite intriguing: despite all the slurs to the contrary, almost 1/3rd of Spider were not tainted.

#NotAllSpider

22 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'd be surprised if the percentages hold true, but I think the general hierarchy will:

Bushi: Crab, Lion > Crane, Unicorn > Dragon, Scorpion > Phoenix

Courtier: Crane, Scorpion > Crab, Dragon > Unicorn > Lion > Phoenix

Monk: Dragon > Phoenix > Crab, Crane, Lion, Scorpion > Unicorn

Shugenja: Phoenix > Dragon, Unicorn > Crab, Crane, Scorpion > Lion

This list does conjure up a few questions:

-Did the Crab Clan ever have Monks in their roster? My memory is certainly foggy, but I don't remember Monks serving under the Crab banner.

-Scorpion did have a larger caste of Shugenja if I recall, thus I would 'bump' them up a tier and place their Clan with Dragon and Unicorn.

-Unicorn Clan fielded less Shugenja than Scorpion Clan and to a degree Crab Clan...

Anyways, just posting some thoughts for discussion.

And I'm drawing all of my conjectures directly from the CCG. Albeit, my memory continues to drift in and out due to my age.

4 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

This list does conjure up a few questions:

-Did the Crab Clan ever have Monks in their roster? My memory is certainly foggy, but I don't remember Monks serving under the Crab banner.

After a certain point in time, the Kuni Tsukai-Sagasu were treated as Monks in the RPG, so possibly also in the CCG

4 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

-Scorpion did have a larger caste of Shugenja if I recall, thus I would 'bump' them up a tier and place their Clan with Dragon and Unicorn.

Both of the Scorpion shugenja families (Soshi and Yogo) were considered to be small and with specific areas of expertise (Shadow Magic for Soshi and Wards for Yogo) rather than being generic shugenja.

4 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

-Acutally, Unicorn Clan fielded less Shugenja than Scorpion Clan and to a degree Crab Clan...

I would disagree with that. The Iuchi were a moderate-sized family, and the Moto are also known to produce Shugenja a bit more frequently than average, even considering the fame of their bushi.

4 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

Anyways, just posting some thoughts for discussion.

And I'm drawing all of my conjectures directly from the CCG. Albeit, my memory continues to drift in and out due to my age.

Another problem is that the percentages sometimes wildly varied by arc. Lion had an entire Kitsu honor theme for an arc (a couple arcs?) which artificially inflates their numbers after a certain point compared to what they'd gotten before.

9 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

Well, Courtiers were the last of the triumvirate added. You had Samurai and Shugenja in the first edition (Imperial, Obsidian? I forget), but I don't think we saw any Courtiers until Gold.

Was not there a Kakita Torikago in Shadowlands or something? I know that many "courtiers" were just labeled as Diplomats early on.

4 minutes ago, Wintersong said:

Was not there a Kakita Torikago in Shadowlands or something? I know that many "courtiers" were just labeled as Diplomats early on.

The courtier trait became relevant in Gold, and they made diplomat synonymous so that Kaukatsu would be a courtier.

5 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

-Unicorn Clan fielded less Shugenja than Scorpion Clan and to a degree Crab Clan...

Not... really. See: Baraunghar.

The Unicorn fielded enough to restructure one of their three armies around. Add to that that the FFG fluff indicates that Meishodo is meant to be a major part of the Unicorn and their beef with the Phoenix this go-around...

EDIT: Also, the Phoenix Clan: More Tainted Cards than Courtiers. No wonder we have a PR problem!

9 minutes ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

Not... really. See: Baraunghar.

The Unicorn fielded enough to restructure one of their three armies around. Add to that that the FFG fluff indicates that Meishodo is meant to be a major part of the Unicorn and their beef with the Phoenix this go-around...

Then I am certainly wrong in this belief. Thanks for posting the above example.

My memory is quite hazy.

6 hours ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I'd be surprised if the percentages hold true, but I think the general hierarchy will:

Bushi: Crab, Lion > Crane, Unicorn > Dragon, Scorpion > Phoenix

Courtier: Crane, Scorpion > Crab, Dragon > Unicorn > Lion > Phoenix

Monk: Dragon > Phoenix > Crab, Crane, Lion, Scorpion > Unicorn

Shugenja: Phoenix > Dragon, Unicorn > Crab, Crane, Scorpion > Lion

Hm.

My own gut instinct is that it'll be three rough "tiers," not four, and that every clan will be running a mix of their personalities-

Bushi: Crab/Lion/Unicorn->Dragon/Crane->Scorpion/Phoenix

Courtier: Crane/Scorpion-> Phoenix/Unicorn/Dragon-> Crab/Lion

Shugenja: Phoenix/Dragon->Unicorn/Crane->Scorpion/Crab/Lion

Monk: Dragon-> Phoenix (if any)-> Literally everyone else, because nobody else really has quite the same mystic tradition. I bet any Kuni we see get tagged Shugenja and that's that.

My major concern is that the numbers don't really speak to the usage and development of keywords over time or during different arcs.

8 hours ago, LordBlunt said:

This list does conjure up a few questions:

-Did the Crab Clan ever have Monks in their roster? My memory is certainly foggy, but I don't remember Monks serving under the Crab banner

Aside from the monk from Coils of Madness the only other monk card Crab had was Hida Nichie who was also a berserker. In lore most Crab don't live long enough to retire and become monks but there were supposwd to be some in Koten.

I'm just surprised there's only one card out of 12216 in Oracle that has Philisopher keyword.