"Perform this attack twice (even against a target outside your firing arc)

Each time this attack hits, deal one damage. Then cancel all dice results.

The defender doubles their agility value against these attacks."

Add 1 stress

Awesome Fenn Rau buff. He needs the help.

... if both attacks hit, the defender receives two damage. Then cancel all dice results

*sigh* here we go again...

13 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

Awesome Fenn Rau buff. He needs the help.

Such a narrow -minded argument! Fenn Rau has nothing on Soontir Fel when it comes to survivability, but how often does Soontir see play nowadays? Or any other low-health arc dodgers, for that matter?

And that's down to a combination of factors. You can shout "bombz", but TLTs were routinely gunning down aces long before SabineSLAMWing became a thing.

Rather than being the answer-to-all-questions it is now, give TLT a niche. It would still burn down low agility ships in short order, but arc-dodging Aces would have one less thing to fear on the tabletop.

So would TBC quadruple his green dice?

Is this thread really necessary? How many more.things do people want to call out for nerfs?

3 minutes ago, piznit said:

So would TBC quadruple his green dice?

No, because it's a secondary weapon so he doesn't get range bonuses.

1 minute ago, darkjawa103 said:

Is this thread really necessary? How many more.things do people want to call out for nerfs?

This is also like the fourth TLT nerf thread created. It is getting very tedious.

Just now, SabineKey said:

This is also like the fourth TLT nerf created. It is getting very tedious.

Don't like it, don't bump it. Simple as that.

Just now, FTS Gecko said:

Don't like it, don't bump it. Simple as that.

Can still call it tedious.

2 minutes ago, darkjawa103 said:

Is this thread really necessary?

Depends. Are you of the opinion that the Twin Laser Turret ISN'T a very powerful weapon that has helped to eliminate certain ships and build from the game?

It's up there with Sabine, Mindlink and the JM5K* in terms of how heavily it has influenced the meta.

*well, maybe not the JM5K.

ridiculous

6 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Depends. Are you of the opinion that the Twin Laser Turret ISN'T a very powerful weapon that has helped to eliminate certain ships and build from the game?

It's up there with Sabine, Mindlink and the JM5K* in terms of how heavily it has influenced the meta.

*well, maybe not the JM5K.

Doesn't matter. There's been a ton of TLT nerf threads. If you want to discuss it, bump an existing thread, don't create a new one...

you want nerf TLT? begin to nerf the other secondaries weapons like tractor beam on defender

12 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

No, because it's a secondary weapon so he doesn't get range bonuses.

And that's what I never understood. FFG brought out this awesome ace, and in the SAME wave the thing which made him mostly DOA, the TLT. If Talonbane would work defensively against secondaries, he would be awesome. Notwithstanding his uninpiring copy Fenn.

43 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

And that's what I never understood. FFG brought out this awesome ace, and in the SAME wave the thing which made him mostly DOA, the TLT. If Talonbane would work defensively against secondaries, he would be awesome. Notwithstanding his uninpiring copy Fenn.

Looking back, there were a hell of a lot of Ace nerfs in that particular wave - TLT, Conner Nets, Cluster Mines and Advance SLAM...

TLT was the first to really be deployed on a wide scale, the others have become incrementally more powerful over time.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Good Lord, he's becoming the next PGS...

I think this is definitely the appropriate nerf since those quad TLTs won Worlds.

Oh wait...

23 minutes ago, StriderZessei said:

Good Lord, he's becoming the next PGS...

Except Leos are the Gundam equivalent of a Khiraxz, not TLT Ys. Cheap, poopy colored, easily disposed of.

4 hours ago, SabineKey said:

This is also like the fourth TLT nerf thread created. It is getting very tedious.

And, like I've stated in EVERY thread to date: don't worry, just wait, if they work great on the Aggressors, they'll hit it with the nerf bat within two months, definitely before Worlds, guaranteed.

The real problem is that it can be spammed. One TLT in a list is pretty easy to outfly. 4 of them become a nightmare. What if they just made it unique?

Nerf F-wings.

Also Nerf the Nerf Herding OP.

And seriously when are you going to *** the Nerfing word Nerf. Or do we have to Nerf-up some Nerf herders showing their lists like a bunch of poodo-heads. Grettings.