Banzai!

By Coyote Walks, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

Just now, Kubernes said:

There is the streaming game on their facebook to look forward to. Maybe we'll see some more 'optimal' plays? I'm probably more interested in the questions asked and answered. And more cards!

@Yogo GoheiI only went into the article wanting to see a few new cards. We still have quite a number of weeks till Gencon and many more previews to come. It wouldn't surprise me if duels were explained much later in an appropriate clan article.

Where have we gotten that it'll be a streamed game? Didn't they just say they'd be answering questions from the Twit?

Just now, Kiseki said:

Where have we gotten that it'll be a streamed game? Didn't they just say they'd be answering questions from the Twit?

Just a hope they will do one! Someone could always ask them to do one, couldn't they? People also need to ask about the Mantis/Spider.

10 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

Just a hope they will do one! Someone could always ask them to do one, couldn't they? People also need to ask about the Mantis/Spider.

They won't answer about Mantis or Spider.

If the faction is going to be in the core set, they will talk about it. If it has anything to do in an upcoming set, or even won't be in an upcoming set, FFG policy (for all of their games) is a very, very, very strict "no comment". They won't even talk about specifics of what will be in the first deluxe expansion until they get the OK from marketing and administration to do so.

Just now, Gaffa said:

They won't answer about Mantis or Spider.

If the faction is going to be in the core set, they will talk about it. If it has anything to do in an upcoming set, or even won't be in an upcoming set, FFG policy (for all of their games) is a very, very, very strict "no comment". They won't even talk about specifics of what will be in the first deluxe expansion until they get the OK from marketing and administration to do so.

They can always give the classic "You'll have to wait and see." or some other non-answer to it.

Just now, Kubernes said:

They can always give the classic "You'll have to wait and see." or some other non-answer to it.

They usually just avoid the question entirely.

FFG is extremely strict over message control and spoilers from their design team. Their NDAs are very strong and very wide. If you haven't heard anything about any other clans going into Friday's talk, you won't get anything out of them.

I wouldn't waste their time, in that case. Ask about the clans we know are in, ask about the research they did for the game -- all those they'll happily talk about at length.

If somebody could try asking about multiplayer, even inasmuch as whether it's going to be a thing, I'd greatly appreciate it.

7 hours ago, Gaffa said:

Cloud the Mind requires a shugenja. Traditionally shugenja-light Clans (Lion, Crane, Crab) might not be running it.

Perhaps. We'll have to see how deck construction shakes out. But considering we don't have to include holdings in our dynasty deck anymore (and there being characters in the conflict deck) I doubt having a shugenja in play will be all that difficult.

41 minutes ago, Joe From Cincinnati said:

Perhaps. We'll have to see how deck construction shakes out. But considering we don't have to include holdings in our dynasty deck anymore (and there being characters in the conflict deck) I doubt having a shugenja in play will be all that difficult.

There is also the option of running Seeker of Knowledge in your conflict deck. 1 influence seems like a pretty good deal to add a card with so much versatility.

4 hours ago, kiramode said:

It looks like you can flash in units at any time during conflict. A couple questions on this:

- Can I bring a guy into play before declaring a conflict?(ie, during the action window that exists between conflicts)

- If I bring a guy into play during a conflict does it have to participate in that conflict?

- Can I flash in guys from my destiny deck(the ones on provinces) or is that restricted to conflict cards only?

These are just my guesses, but...

1. Yes. Playing conflict cards seems to be allowed during the action window (barring cards that explicitly say they must be played at a specific time, of course)

2. In the action window before the conflict, I wouldn't think so since that takes place before the conflict is declared. During the conflict, I don't know. My initial thought was that he would have to participate, but then I realized that you could have characters at home and we have seen no indication that you wouldn't be able to play cards on them, so why not play new characters to home? We'll have to wait and see on this one.

3. I believe it just applies to Conflict cards, barring a card explicitly saying otherwise. Destiny cards have their own timing for being brought into play.

3 hours ago, Kiseki said:

Those were both things I hoped we'd see either drilled into or completely swept away. If a personality like the Isawa could use his action without being present, why wouldn't he? That was my first thought on seeing the card previewed. "I wonder if this guy can use his action in a battle from home."

Have we seen explicit references to the old concepts of presence and relevance in any way?

I could see reasons for bringing the Isawa to the field, but I suspect the Phoenix player just wasn't thinking clearly that conflict.

7 hours ago, Jedi samurai said:

I think Mantis would have since they are susposed to have one on each ship (actually I think someone figured out that means they'd have more thent he Phoenix).

But the Mantis don't exist..........

The Scorpion have two Shugenja families..........they might be the #2, but the Crane would be top 3 for sure.

It's not the number of families that counts here, but the number of shugenjas. The difference between the CCG and the world of Rokugan is a good point when we are adressing the LCG.

But I do still think that I recall seriously that in number of shugenjas, the Crane is number 2 behind the Phoenix. Now I have to find where I take this from...

Question posed to all who are posting in this thread:

Do you (are you currently) basing your answers and replies through the lens of your previous CCG gaming, or the RPG, or both?

I think this would better help some of us, like myself, to better understand where you're coming from in regards to your thinking.

Thanks.

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10 hours ago, Ryric said:

Also, we get to see our first Spell. And apparently ancestral attachments return to hand, which means "normal" ones don't.

The previous article also specifically said that attachments are discarded when characters are discarded for having no fate.

Some thoughts...

Dragon getting some honorable card draw. Good for them.

With Banzai! an Eager Scout could solo an undefended Elemental Fury.

You could use Cloud the Mind on your own Shiba Peacemaker to make him able to attack.

10 hours ago, SavageTofu said:

I wonder what Jenny looks like... ☺️

avmirumototsubasa_150.jpgProbably a lot like me. :) Glad that they got that bit fixed.

It just occurred to me (unless I'm reading the card wrong) that Isawa Masahiro can burninate characters in political conflicts, too. As cool as that is, it seems like it should probably come with an honor loss...

(Also, couldn't they have just named him Isawa Tsuke?)

2 hours ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

It just occurred to me (unless I'm reading the card wrong) that Isawa Masahiro can burninate characters in political conflicts, too. As cool as that is, it seems like it should probably come with an honor loss...

Nah.

He's demonstrating the kami's disfavor with their actions. Rokugani politics kill people all the time...

2 hours ago, Suzume Tomonori said:

(Also, couldn't they have just named him Isawa Tsuke?)

I'm glad they didn't. Screw that guy and his stupid headdress.

7 hours ago, Yogo Gohei said:

What I wanted out of the article:

1) An explanation of how the rules of presence and location work, possibly using the Isawa personality as an example.

2) A duel, with one or more examples of cards that both initiate and interact with duels.

Needless to say, I came away dissapointed.

1) What rules of presence and location? There has been nothing like that mentioned in relation to this game.

That said, we can look at some existing cards and actions to infer things. Shrewd Yasuki's action says that he has to be participating in a conflict. This is in contrast to the Solemn Scholar, whose action says it must be during a conflict. From these we can infer that anyone whose action doesn't specify something, doesn't have any additional requirements. So yes, Masahiro could blow someone up from home.

Another interesting point is the Border Rider card, whose action straightens it. This has no caveats about being able to be used even if bowed, so I again infer that there is normally no requirement for that.

Basically, the only rule appears to be that Actions (and Reactions etc) can only be used once per turn, unless specified otherwise on the card (Wandering Ronin, for example).

The one question I need to have answered is what was previously called Relevance. If I have Masahiro at home, and you have an Agasha Swordsmith at home, during a conflict, both with their actions unused, could I blow up your Swordsmith before he went and mined for a sword?

2) I am 90% sure that duelling will be an article all of its own, so I really wasn't expecting one today.

1 hour ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

The one question I need to have answered is what was previously called Relevance. If I have Masahiro at home, and you have an Agasha Swordsmith at home, during a conflict, both with their actions unused, could I blow up your Swordsmith before he went and mined for a sword?

Masahiro's action specifies that it must target a participating character.

2 minutes ago, shineyorkboy said:

Masahiro's action specifies that it must target a participating character.

I feel embarrassed, after all the other examples I pointed out.

I would expect that, at the start of the game, most decks will include a splash of everything, characters from all the families, but as more cards get released there will be more specialized decks that will mostly focus on one family, keyword or strategy in general.

Even then, I suspect this nu5R seems to be more about having your whole clan in the field rather than the old fantasy ("you play a Daimyo of your clan").

BTW, while I'm a Phoenix loyalist, Dragon is looking so much fun and powerful that I'm starting to feel tempted.

3 hours ago, Shiba Gunichi said:

Screw that guy and his stupid headdress.

That headdress was rocking.

Another thing to take away from the article is that the Defender has the first Action opportunity (after Attacking and Defending Characters have been declared), like it used to be in Old5R.
"Starting with the defending player, players now have another action window to bolster their warriors in hopes of winning the conflict."

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I'm guessing we'll see some version of Sneak Attack.

21 minutes ago, C3gorach said:

Another thing to take away from the article is that the Defender has the first Action opportunity (after Attacking and Defending Characters have been declared), like it used to be in Old5R.
"Starting with the defending player, players now have another action window to bolster their warriors in hopes of winning the conflict."

Yes, you are correct.

Which fits nicely, imo, with having ties during Conflicts awarded to the winner.

7 hours ago, MirumotoTsubasa said:

avmirumototsubasa_150.jpgProbably a lot like me. :) Glad that they got that bit fixed.

In my mind, I was thinking shaved head & dragon tattoos... this will work.

Are you Jenny?