6 minutes ago, Budgernaut said:

@Polda Obscenes (the blobs) certainly have flavor, but I am so sick of them. The Uthuk have so much more to offer than obese cannibals. Grotesques from BattleLore are much more to my liking, with a huge, mutated arm and the ability to shoot bones out of their body at range.

Huh, I see what you mean. Looks very similar to Thralls from Mansions of Madness 2nd ed.

It depends - if they just stand around like the model on the pic below, I'm out.
You have a mutated arm with 2 ft claws you better be running at the enemy ready to make minced meat.

50 minutes ago, jek said:

I learned Infinity from the guys that own Warsenal and used to finish in the top 10 of ITS, that game is complicated but I love it...wish I still played it more...Top quality models, that to me are better than anything I see coming out of GW...and an actually fun game system...but I like RWM more just because idk I just have not not enjoyed a game yet even when I am being destroyed...but I can understand if the models aren't your cup of tea and you don't want to invest your time and energy into painting things you don't like...

I think that's because there's a lot of internal balance (every kind of unit is able to kill every kind of unit in the right circumstances and configurations) and the simultaneous turn prevent 1st turn's devastation.

3 hours ago, Polda said:

Huh, I see what you mean. Looks very similar to Thralls from Mansions of Madness 2nd ed.

It depends - if they just stand around like the model on the pic below, I'm out.
You have a mutated arm with 2 ft claws you better be running at the enemy ready to make minced meat.

Those guys with the big claws are Grotesques. Why bother running? They shoot bone spines.

On 10.5.2017 at 5:07 PM, FatherTurin said:

Fair enough. I would argue that you can't compare X-Wing/Armada to anything other than Battlefleet Gothic, and in those terms I think FFG is superior in every way, but that aspect is pure aesthetics and personal opinion and here FFG benefits from not having to design a ship from the keel up (except the raider). Again, personal preference and I am more than happy to agree to disagree.

Well BGG models are really old so that comparison isn't the best, better compare them to thinngs like Droopfleet Commander or Firestorm Armada or some of the upcoming space games that were made via Kickstarter.

I don't own Runewars yet but I do have X-Wing and Armada and I have seen some of the IA minis and yes I would say they are good but there are of course better minis out there.
But for me (miniature wargamer) minis are only a part of the game and I would say all games I know have at least decent minis, yes even Mantic for the price you pay they are ok and I have to say I liek their undead and Space Dwarf minis and the Walking Dead and Mars Attacks stuff looks good too.

So could these minis ahve been better, sure but as said this was never the intention as this shoudl be an easy and affordable foray into miniature wargaming and for that it is more than fine.

While it's probably an unfair and gross oversimplification, the entire core premise of this thread seems to me to be, "Why aren't you Games Workshop?"

I, as others here, am done with GW. Have been for some time now. I'm happy to pay FFG $100 bucks for 40+ perfectly acceptable fantasy miniatures that look plenty good on the game table, rather than nearly the same cash for half or less the models with GW.

Sure, GW is the Rolls-Royce of miniature plastics, but you also pay Rolls-Royce prices.

Why do that when I can buy a Ford Taurus that gets me from A to B just as easily for far less money and still looks pretty sleek with a decent paint-job?

(and don't even get me started on game rules and internal cohesion - GW long since decided and even stated that they aren't really a game company, but a model company: "Games Workshop is in the business of selling toy soldiers to children."- Tom Kirby)

I cannot agree @Deathseed GW miniatures are quite ok, but they aren't a Rolls-Royce. Their aesthetic lines are quite improvable

in GW's defense that was the douchebag they had in charge of everything the past few years that said that. Btw he's been sacked, which is why GW has been actually listening to feedback and offering some discount packages now (i seriously cant believe the Tau "Starter" box is a whopping 50USD price cut when you do the math for whats inside...). 8th edition so far sounds more well rounded, but all we have are stats examples and a few mechanic twists so holding verdict on that so far.

GW will still be the most expensive miniatures company for quite some time, but then again the quality of their plastic/sculpts kinda deserve to be more expensive. However, from what ive seen in the past year or two i think theyve finally stopped the "Sell more rulebooks!" and "More money less models!" mentality in the "new kits"

Whether or not it was customer feedback or the sales reports that kicked GW's nuts to get them to shape up....ah who am i kidding its the latter. Xwing took over the top selling miniature game instead of 40k, and when that happend GW freaked out.

6 minutes ago, druchii7 said:

I cannot agree @Deathseed GW miniatures are quite ok, but they aren't a Rolls-Royce. Their aesthetic lines are quite improvable

You're welcome to your opinion of course. I disagree with your conclusion.

However, I'm not about to debate such a subjective topic as art and taste.

10 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:

in GW's defense that was the douchebag they had in charge of everything the past few years that said that. Btw he's been sacked, which is why GW has been actually listening to feedback and offering some discount packages now (i seriously cant believe the Tau "Starter" box is a whopping 50USD price cut when you do the math for whats inside...). 8th edition so far sounds more well rounded, but all we have are stats examples and a few mechanic twists so holding verdict on that so far.

GW will still be the most expensive miniatures company for quite some time, but then again the quality of their plastic/sculpts kinda deserve to be more expensive. However, from what ive seen in the past year or two i think theyve finally stopped the "Sell more rulebooks!" and "More money less models!" mentality in the "new kits"

Whether or not it was customer feedback or the sales reports that kicked GW's nuts to get them to shape up....ah who am i kidding its the latter. Xwing took over the top selling miniature game instead of 40k, and when that happend GW freaked out.

All fair, and reasonably factual, points.

But they've broken the faith for me. And yeah, Tom Kirby is out as CEO, but he's still a chairman there. Also, they rehired the great unclean one himself Matt Ward. Add to that the AoS debacle, and my spider sense still hasn't stopped tingling.

To be fair to Kevin Rountree , they do seem to have made good strides towards rebuilding relationships with their customers and fan base, but I haven't stopped seeing clouds on the horizon. Kev started with them as an accountant. That might explain the saner pricing they've started doing, but it remains to be seen if he is adept at steering the game side of the business.

We'll see what 40k8 ultimately does...

One thing I haven't seen mentioned much at all is just how more dynamic the RWs miniatures are than a lot of precious fantasy fare. The spearmen sitting in their trays unpainted look fantastic. I played Warhammer for 20 years and the RWs figures are more fluid than most stuff GW produced who all basically stood straight. The extra space between bases makes a world of difference.

In Age of Sigmar where GW doesn't have to worry about models bashing up against each other they still seem to tend towards boring passive poses. Some of the flyers from the Sigmarines are certainly a bit more dynamic, but it is the exception rather than the rule.

I'll my complaint against the Runewars figures is that they are hard to make unique and personalise, so you really only have the paint job. But that is the key here, if you are a great painter you can make the figures look great. If you are a decent painted or novice you can at least make them good.

The unique and personalized thing kinda has to be reserved for Large models and Heroes. Calvary technically are large enough but even they get kinda close, ive noticed some of the sculpts dont like being to the left of the other sculpt (the sword will touch the other's shield).

The basic troops having non-unique paintjobs is fine by me though. I have never given my common grunts anything special, in fact i cut corners on them lol. My spearmen i have painted so far have spots that are completely unpainted because you literally wont see it anyway unless you pick the model up.

2 hours ago, Vineheart01 said:

The unique and personalized thing kinda has to be reserved for Large models and Heroes. Calvary technically are large enough but even they get kinda close, ive noticed some of the sculpts dont like being to the left of the other sculpt (the sword will touch the other's shield).

The basic troops having non-unique paintjobs is fine by me though. I have never given my common grunts anything special, in fact i cut corners on them lol. My spearmen i have painted so far have spots that are completely unpainted because you literally wont see it anyway unless you pick the model up.

STOP BEING SANE!

I think the whole 'minis' question is subjective, one thing that is not is the fact FFG seem to have produced a very solid, playable and balanced set of fantasy tabletop rules by using their best experiences from their other games.

I will be as happy seeing RW figures across the table from me as I will if people convert GW or Mantic etc.

I am a huge fan of the GW minis myself, but that's just personal taste. Plonk down a nicely painted anything opposite me and I'll sing your praises :-)

18 hours ago, Deathseed said:

All fair, and reasonably factual, points.

But they've broken the faith for me. And yeah, Tom Kirby is out as CEO, but he's still a chairman there. Also, they rehired the great unclean one himself Matt Ward. Add to that the AoS debacle, and my spider sense still hasn't stopped tingling.

To be fair to Kevin Rountree , they do seem to have made good strides towards rebuilding relationships with their customers and fan base, but I haven't stopped seeing clouds on the horizon. Kev started with them as an accountant. That might explain the saner pricing they've started doing, but it remains to be seen if he is adept at steering the game side of the business.

We'll see what 40k8 ultimately does...

The return of specialist games has been interesting to watch, but even that is a little wonky. Blood Bowl is fantastic, but requires Forge World stuff (and therefore $$$$$$$$) to fill out teams. New-cromunda (Adjective Noun: The Long Game Title) seemed promising but doesn't really stand up to a closer look (scouts vs grey knights? Yeah, that's fair, and not at all absurd). Warhammer Quest leaves a lot to be desired for a dungeon crawl (although the newest one seems better). Their weird "competitive arena" game is intriguing, but all FFG has to do to blow it out of the water is introduce Skirmish Descent (or just keep making X-Wing since that it seems they are trying to compete with).

My point is, GW has been making advances, but a lot of the time it feels like one step forward, two steps back. Sure, 8th edition looks promising. Kind of like 5th edition D&D. Take some of the best concepts of the earliest editions, combine with some recent stuff, and slather the whole package up with some streamlining. I might have even bought into it, if it wasn't for GW's constant push towards $130 single minis or $90 boxes of 3 minis.

Oh, and my favorite game company currently in the market made an awesome fantasy minis game. Runewars, maybe you've heard of it ?

atleast these models are nowhere near as bad as Startrek Attack Wing......*cough*

In all seriousness though the models have to be either pretty badly sculpted or made from insanely fragile/vulnerable to heat material to actually penalize the company's sales. Im not sure how heat resistant these models are so i'd rather not risk it by leaving them in my trunk, but i know from using a hairdrier on them numerous times that they are somewhat resistant (when i do that on Resin models i need to be careful as they will get super bendy quick).

I picked up Runewars more because its FFG producing a Fantasy game (which ive never actually played a fantasy wargame yet, despite preferring Medieval aesthetics over Scifi) than its models are amazing. I didnt see any glaring rule issues like Warzone has and the minis are good enough to be considered cool looking. I love the runegolem lol course i think a lot of people say that.

What are you talking about people? Those minis look really nice - because they got such a vanilla feel you got a room for your own conversions.
When it comes to sculpting FFG did a really good job.