Speculations concerning the 'Imperial Favor'

By LordBlunt, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

Basically, what are your thoughts as to what it would endow to the controlling player? (I did read that it would grant additional points of skill...)

My apologies if this question has been asked prior. (I went back a number of pages and couldn't find a similar thread)

Edited by LordBlunt
forgot to add.....

Pretty sure we know it gives a +1 to your armies total for either Military or Political conflicts.

Or did you mean something else?

4 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

Basically, what are your thoughts as to what it would endow to the controlling player? (I did read that it would grant additional points of skill...)

My apologies if this question has been asked prior. (I went back a number of pages and couldn't find a similar thread)

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Once all conflicts have been resolved, a contest is held for the Imperial Favor. Players count both the number of rings they have claimed and the total amount of glory on their ready characters and add them together. Whichever player has the higher total claims the Imperial Favor, and may place it on either the political or military side. The Imperial Favor provides an additional point of skill to conflicts of that type during the next round.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/5/3/the-conflicts-of-rokugan/

l5c01_imperial-favor_diagram.png

EDIT: Oh you mean other than the free point. Outside of that we do have this quote:

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Other cards will reference the Imperial Favor

with the example being Otomo Courtier. I imagine there are going to be some cards that work similar to what the Old5R Imperial Favor did or certain characters get bonuses or even honored/dishonored etc.

Edited by Danwarr
3 minutes ago, Danwarr said:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/5/3/the-conflicts-of-rokugan/

l5c01_imperial-favor_diagram.png

EDIT: Oh you mean other than the free point. Outside of that we do have this quote:

with the example being Otomo Courtier. I imagine there are going to be some cards that work similar to what the Old5R Imperial Favor did or certain characters get bonuses or even honored/dishonored etc.

Yeah, there could be things like the old Arrival of the Emerald Champion: discard the favor to blah blah blah.

I'm expecting Crane to have Favor BS

Danwarr-

Yes, beyond the free point.

Kiseki-

If possible, what was the old Arrival of the Emerald Champion? Merely discard the favor for some sort of gain (Fate/Honor/etc)...?

Regardless, I guess my excitement is ruling my curiosity at the moment, and hence this thread.

Yes, Hype is good. It's alright =P

52 minutes ago, LordBlunt said:

If possible, what was the old Arrival of the Emerald Champion? Merely discard the favor for some sort of gain (Fate/Honor/etc)...?

Let's you discard the favor to summon a powerful character to fight on your side in a battle (there are other restrictions, of course).

1 hour ago, LordBlunt said:

Danwarr-

Yes, beyond the free point.

Kiseki-

If possible, what was the old Arrival of the Emerald Champion? Merely discard the favor for some sort of gain (Fate/Honor/etc)...?

Regardless, I guess my excitement is ruling my curiosity at the moment, and hence this thread.

It created a token samurai on your side with nice stats for a battle. I didn't mean it directly though, just using it as an example.

I could see a few possibilities for the favor. Arrival of the Emerald Champion and/or discard the favor for effect cards seem likely. Maybe a trait/keyword ie "imperial" that grants characters some sort of bonus. Maybe events that have a basic effect and is further enhanced by the favor.

I don't see people playing many cards that play off of the favor now that there doesn't seem to be any reliable way of gaining it.

Seems fun with the Lion Stronghold for a turn /rawr

Am I the only one that feels confident that in the event of a draw nobody gets the Favour?

Also, I for one am glad that it seems like it's been downgraded and streamlined a fair old tad.

2 hours ago, Yoritomo Reiu said:

I don't see people playing many cards that play off of the favor now that there doesn't seem to be any reliable way of gaining it.

What do you know about that ? The Crane clan could well see some cards printed that grant you the favor.

You win a political duel : you gain the favor at the end of the turn.

You claim the ring of air : you gain the favor at the end of the turn.

You have more honorable characters than the opponent : you gain the favor at the end of the turn.

Etc etc etc.

Edit: I would add that all those cards could even be neutral cards that everyone can play. I'm just pointing out that the Crane Clan could be and should be the one that could make the better use of it obviously.

Edited by Katsutoshi

Personally I'd be a little surprised if we see cards like Katsutoshi suggests. Given that FFG is setting up a contest to gain the Imperial Favor, short circuiting the whole thing feels like bad design. On the other hand, cards that give you an advantage in that contest seem very reasonable -

You win a political duel: You gain +3 when contesting for the Imperial Favor

Things like that seem to fit in to their basic design. And, of course, we see similar such cards in AGoT during their dominance phase.

Y'know, I just noticed... even Dishonored characters contribute to acquiring the Imperial Favor, assuming they have a Glory greater than zero.

Is it just me, or is the Otomo Courtier pretty bad? I've always found the Otomo intriguing, so maybe I was expecting something like a positive ability. And the hairdying is weird IMO, even for a family with close ties to the Crane. I dunno.

4 minutes ago, Builder2 said:

Is it just me, or is the Otomo Courtier pretty bad? I've always found the Otomo intriguing, so maybe I was expecting something like a positive ability. And the hairdying is weird IMO, even for a family with close ties to the Crane. I dunno.

A -m/2p/1g for 1? Not so bad. Plus keywords to key off your Conflict cards.

4 minutes ago, Builder2 said:

Is it just me, or is the Otomo Courtier pretty bad?

It's a neutral 2 Poli for 1 cost for clans who want that. Looks fine to me.

Somehow the simple fact that it's a friggin' Courtier eluded my grasp. Been too long away from the game, it seems.

3 hours ago, twinstarbmc said:

Y'know, I just noticed... even Dishonored characters contribute to acquiring the Imperial Favor, assuming they have a Glory greater than zero.

Interesting catch, and maybe counter intuitive for older players.

3 hours ago, twinstarbmc said:

Y'know, I just noticed... even Dishonored characters contribute to acquiring the Imperial Favor, assuming they have a Glory greater than zero.

I hope the Dishonored card will address that. Remember we have not seen the text on that card, so maybe it states there that dishonoered characters do not count for the Imperial Favour. But yes, it is a possiblity they did not put that there and thus it will feel kinda strange, no just to the old players, but also from the point of view of the setting.

1 hour ago, Drudenfusz said:

I hope the Dishonored card will address that. Remember we have not seen the text on that card, so maybe it states there that dishonoered characters do not count for the Imperial Favour. But yes, it is a possiblity they did not put that there and thus it will feel kinda strange, no just to the old players, but also from the point of view of the setting.

Hey, even dishonorable persons can try to win the favor of the Emperor. I'm sure the Scorpion do it happens all the time!

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7 hours ago, agarrett said:

Personally I'd be a little surprised if we see cards like Katsutoshi suggests. Given that FFG is setting up a contest to gain the Imperial Favor, short circuiting the whole thing feels like bad design. On the other hand, cards that give you an advantage in that contest seem very reasonable -

You win a political duel: You gain +3 when contesting for the Imperial Favor

Things like that seem to fit in to their basic design. And, of course, we see similar such cards in AGoT during their dominance phase.

I'm not so sure. While I really disliked Favor control decks that came about later in Old5R, I think that style of deck could exsist in Nu5R. So far it appears the Favor does less than before. It's not unimportant but it certainly doesn't do nearly as much from what we've seen. So a personality or event that allows someone to take the Favor shouldn't be too devastating. A 2 point skill swing isn't as big of a deal as losing your best unit and/or presence, thereby losing your ability to even take actions at a battle.

Cards that take the Favor don't seem out of the question to me. Unless of course the next spoiler says "oh by the way......the favor does everything" then I could see a problem with that. As it stands now the favor does not appear to super impactful so contol of it doesn't matter too much. Time will tell

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14 minutes ago, twinstarbmc said:

Hey, even dishonorable persons can try to win the favor of the Emperor. I'm sure the Scorpion do it happens all the time!

Are you trying to say the Scorpion have no honor? What next? That tehy use ninja? Don't be ridicolous. ;)

Nobody is sending disgraced people to get the favour of the emperor, and even when such things happened under AEG, then folks like Bayushi Aramoro did so in disguise of being someone else.