I used to think that x7 Defenders were perfectly fine to keep fielding after the FAQ but have heard over the past day that they won't be good to fly for the time being given how world's went. I am pretty new to the game and so don't fully understand why this would be, or if it's just false. Could someone explain. Thanks.
World's result = x7 a bad ship?
It is still a solid ship, but upper level play is filled with things that take advantage of their new weaknesses. Stress in particular is everywhere, primary forms being Ventress and the Stresshog. With those things so prevalent, x7's can't really get good footing, and there is no sign of Stress going down in power.
There are no "bad ships". Well. Ish. Competetivly there are ships that don't do as well. Everything is fun to fly.
Right now now as stated above defenders are lower in the competitive sphere. Flow well there's still a force, just like flown well double firesprays can still win games.
I see. Thanks for the reply. I imagine stresshog lists would also really hurt arc dodgers too then eh, or would they easily be able to dodge the ships in that list?
If arc dodgers are bad at the moment too, would defenders with tie/D be a reasonable option?
Just now, Hotziggety said:I see. Thanks for the reply. I imagine stresshog lists would also really hurt arc dodgers too then eh, or would they easily be able to dodge the ships in that list?
If arc dodgers are bad at the moment too, would defenders with tie/D be a reasonable option?
Yes. Tractor beam TIE/D's would be a very good option right now for flying with defenders as you reduce agility with the tractor beam, making your other defenders shots easier to hit.
2 minutes ago, Hotziggety said:
If arc dodgers are bad at the moment too, would defenders with tie/D be a reasonable option?
Competetivly imps are in a worse spot with only a RAC whisper making the top cut at worlds.
So creativity is out there to find a good imperial answer.
Tie/d. Try it on vessery. My personal favorite is with tractor beam and ruthlessness. Ruthlessness triggers on both shots and after the tractor movement so it punishes the Biggs formation flying.
I personally took one to worlds with only once getting bumped... plus it was by the op jumpmaster barrel roll. Otherwise it was solid.
X7 is still really good.
The meta always over corrects.
Ok. Well I am relieved to hear they aren't dead. I enjoy flying them. Is it better to fly three Delta's right now to help avoid being bumped. Or are the pilot abilities on Vessery and Ryad worth the risk?
3 minutes ago, Hotziggety said:Ok. Well I am relieved to hear they aren't dead. I enjoy flying them. Is it better to fly three Delta's right now to help avoid being bumped. Or are the pilot abilities on Vessery and Ryad worth the risk?
Ryad is nice because her ability makes her harder to block and she can shed stress more easily than the others. Vessery can be worth it with good target lock providers. the /sf (QuickDraw in particular) and Omega Leader are popular spotters for Vessery.
6 hours ago, Hotziggety said:Ok. Well I am relieved to hear they aren't dead. I enjoy flying them. Is it better to fly three Delta's right now to help avoid being bumped. Or are the pilot abilities on Vessery and Ryad worth the risk?
You've just given yourself the answer.
If you enjoy flying them, keep doing so, don't stop because of the 'meta' and experiment. Personally? I'd go with either of the named pilots or at least a Glaive, the EPT's can make a difference. You can only fit two in a list, but it leaves you points to add a multitude of annoying little buggers to learn how to fly.
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They're an amazing ship. It just isn't the meta for them.
Hopefully more people will try the D, personally I love the D and use it over the X7 most of the time.
Well I spent Sunday going 5-1 at my GNK with two TIE/sf and an /x7 Defender. They're good, and it seems like there's less stress around than expected.
I love my list and it's definitely powerful so I'll be taking /x7 for a while yet, though it's definitely true that Imperial squads as a whole are under the curve at present.
8 hours ago, Engine25 said:X7 is still really good.
The meta always over corrects.
Somewhat True.
Though the meta shifts as well and with stress being back and being a factor for defenders, you simply get as well a good ship with some weaknesses in the current meta. I doubt that the meta will shift away from stress anytime soon.
39 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:Somewhat True.
Though the meta shifts as well and with stress being back and being a factor for defenders, you simply get as well a good ship with some weaknesses in the current meta. I doubt that the meta will shift away from stress anytime soon.
I'm not sure about that, I think Worlds had very little stress on show - that's why Expertise Dengar got to the final.
I think the torpedo boats are battering the stress down, clearing the way for Dengar. It's certainly a more fertile field for /x7 Defenders than I expected, although perhaps the jumpmasters are bumping you to get a similar effect.
The X7 fix was bought about so that pilots now have to think about their moves, rather than Hurr durr 3+ moves for a free evade. Why should you be rewarded for bad flying? People have shifted from X7's because they are no longer super easy mode. A good player will still do well with them, a potato player will struggle.
I am so over hearing about the X7 nerf that wasn't a nerf.
1 minute ago, Archangelspiv said:The X7 fix was bought about so that pilots now have to think about their moves, rather than Hurr durr 3+ moves for a free evade. Why should you be rewarded for bad flying? People have shifted from X7's because they are no longer super easy mode. A good player will still do well with them, a potato player will struggle.
I am so over hearing about the X7 nerf that wasn't a nerf.
While I don't like arguments that tend to be "you're bad and should feel bad" I do think there's something to this. You have to play /x7 Defenders a bit more conservatively and pull them out of bad situations if you think a bump is going to leave them exposed. K-turning for Focus/TL/Evade is still really good when it comes off.
18 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:a potato player will struggle.
That's my problem! I'm a potato player with ham hands!
Just now, Piscopas said:That's my problem! I'm a potato player with ham hands!
Lets us players of the veggie aisle unite brother!!!!
43 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:The X7 fix was bought about so that pilots now have to think about their moves, rather than Hurr durr 3+ moves for a free evade. Why should you be rewarded for bad flying? People have shifted from X7's because they are no longer super easy mode. A good player will still do well with them, a potato player will struggle.
I am so over hearing about the X7 nerf that wasn't a nerf.
Bull. Most x/7 haters were drama queens. I'm talking Anakin level whining. It's not like all people using x/7's were just running into everything. The meta was better for having something that wasn't crippled by stress.
Good players could counter x/7's. Potato players couldn't focus fire and struggled (and came here to cry about x/7's being OP).
7 minutes ago, Djaskim609 said:Bull. Most x/7 haters were drama queens. I'm talking Anakin level whining. It's not like all people using x/7's were just running into everything. The meta was better for having something that wasn't crippled by stress.
Good players could counter x/7's. Potato players couldn't focus fire and struggled (and came here to cry about x/7's being OP).
I fully agree here. The x/7 nerf basically brought them in line to be hard countered in the same way as more traditional PTL aces.
The X7 nerf was sensible as careening at high speed through asteroids or bumping and getting free tokens didn't make sense, I think what overdid it was them making it a free action instead of taking a focus token. It means stress builds don't merely hurt it, they outright cripple it. Two stress tokens on a defender is basically game over now.
It's not that x7 is bad , it actually works now the way it should have from the start- giving a free evade action instead of a token. However, it just doesn't hold up to cards like Attanni Mindlink, which work the way x7 used to. I'd be willing to put money that Attanni is going to get the x7 treatment, and it's going to give a focus action (instead of a token). It's just a matter of time.
1 hour ago, SOTL said:I'm not sure about that, I think Worlds had very little stress on show - that's why Expertise Dengar got to the final.
I think the torpedo boats are battering the stress down, clearing the way for Dengar. It's certainly a more fertile field for /x7 Defenders than I expected, although perhaps the jumpmasters are bumping you to get a similar effect.
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