Commonly Made Mistakes

By Kiseki, in Legend of the Five Rings: The Card Game

So with the influx of podcasts based on the information we've been given, I've noticed a few mistakes in the mechanics being repeated, and thought it'd be good to highlight a few of the most common ones here. This is based on what we know from the articles, so obviously some of it is subject to change. The intent isn't to call out anyone in particular, the things making the list are things I've seen in multiple places.

The Favor gives +1 force *to your side* in a conflict, and not a blanket +1 to each character in the conflict. (relevant text: "The Imperial Favor provides an additional point of skill to conflicts of that type during the next round.")

When personalities are honored, you get 1 honor when they leave play, not an amount equal to their glory. (relevant text: "Forced Interrupt: When this character leaves play - gain 1 honor.)

The Togashi Initiate requires him to be attacking to use his ability. It seems as though he requires the ring to be uncontested, meaning neither claimed nor currently contested. In order to have the best chance to reclaim his fate, you should use his ability on the fourth attack while you are the second player, and choose the ring you added fate to as your next ring. [updated since Facebook live Q&A seems to invalidate my previous version of this line of play].

There are now 3 states of honorableness: Dishonored, Default (Neutral), and Honored. (relevant text: (Honoring a character adds their glory value to their skills and causes their owner to gain honor when that character leaves play, while dishonoring a character subtracts their glory from their skills and causes their owner to lose honor when that character leaves play.))

The status track goes from Honored < Neutral < Dishonored, and must move from one to the next. (relevant text: "Since they are in the honored state, they simply lose the honored status and revert to an ordinary state. Had the Initiate been in the neutral state to begin with, they would receive the dishonored status and subtract their glory value from their skills.")

The first player is randomly determined at the start of the game. (relevant text: A game begins with both players choosing their decks and randomly determining the first player.)

Province strengths are determined independently of one another, and are modified by cards held within them, including your Stronghold. ("Strongholds give you vital information like the amount of honor a player starts with, how much fate they receive each turn, any strength bonus added to the province it is attached to, and how much influence can be included in its associated conflict deck." AND card stats as shown on previewed province cards.)

Does anyone have any other examples that have cropped up? Please provide relevant text to demonstrate where the mistake comes from.

Edited by Kiseki

There are now 3 states of honorableness: Dishonored, Default (Neutral), and Honored.

I have lost count of the number of posts I have seen where the poster assumed characters came into play honored.

Edited by Yogo Gohei

This is an excellent resource.

40 minutes ago, Yogo Gohei said:

There are now 3 states of honorableness: Dishonored, Default (Neutral), and Honored.

I have lost count of the number of posts I have seen where the poster assumed characters came into play honored.

That's a good one, and I can't believe that I missed it. I'm going to edit into the original post to make compiling things easier.

1 hour ago, Yogo Gohei said:

There are now 3 states of honorableness: Dishonored, Default (Neutral), and Honored.

I have lost count of the number of posts I have seen where the poster assumed characters came into play honored.

This is true however:

Do we know for sure if the (dis) honor goes in steps? As in if I honor my dishonored buy does he for sure go to neutral? Or does he honor. Is that clarifies anywhere?

6 minutes ago, BayushiCroy said:

This is true however:

Do we know for sure if the (dis) honor goes in steps? As in if I honor my dishonored buy does he for sure go to neutral? Or does he honor. Is that clarifies anywhere?

They have not said anything about this.

Phew! Not done any of these yet ;)

2 minutes ago, Sake-house-brawl said:

Phew! Not done any of these yet ;)

Don't worry we did.

Just now, BayushiCroy said:

Don't worry we did.

haha! Don't worry, we will too :P

I think it is important to note, that just because something is on a podcast doesnt make it true! We are just a group of lads having a chat really :)

Edited by Sake-house-brawl

All Scorpions in this thread.... *backs away slowly*

6 minutes ago, YasukiKaito said:

All Scorpions in this thread.... *backs away slowly*

How much can we trust what's being said?

Just now, JJ48 said:

How much can we trust what's being said?

And so starts the trolling.

2 minutes ago, HidaYama said:

And so starts the trolling.

Oh, should we stay on topic? Ok.

This mistake was more common in the old days (two weeks ago), but it may still be worth repeating here:

Mistake: The game is the biggest success/failure FFG has ever made.

Fact: The game hasn't even been released, and has neither succeeded nor failed yet.

11 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

How much can we trust what's being said?

Implicitly. Would a face like this lie to you?

1 minute ago, Kiseki said:

Implicitly. Would a face like this lie to you?

Oh, please. What do I look like, a Frog?

31 minutes ago, Sake-house-brawl said:

haha! Don't worry, we will too :P

I think it is important to note, that just because something is on a podcast doesnt make it true! We are just a group of lads having a chat really :)

Yeah, I intentionally didn't want anyone to feel singled out, so hopefully nobody does, even if they made every single one of these mistakes in one cast. I fell into a few traps based on prior game knowledge early on myself, so I just want to help clear up any muddy waters.

2 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

Oh, please. What do I look like, a Frog?

;) Oh, I mistook your Mon. Apologies!

32 minutes ago, Kiseki said:

Implicitly. Would a face like this lie to you?

Would a *mask* like this lie to you? :lol:

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1 minute ago, YasukiKaito said:

Would a *mask* like this lie to you? :lol:

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You say semantics, I say seh-MAHN-tics. :D

49 minutes ago, JJ48 said:

This mistake was more common in the old days (two weeks ago)

I miss the old days. Back then we did not need to know the turn sequence details to like the idea of a new L5R.<_<

4 minutes ago, Wintersong said:

I miss the old days. Back then we did not need to know the turn sequence details to like the idea of a new L5R.<_<

I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

Wait, what? Where are you reading about 'neutral' status (neither honored nor dishonored)?

10 minutes ago, BayushiCroy said:

I am not sure I understand what you are saying.

Just being an old grumpy fanboy, based on some comments, for being optimistic about the new L5R before we even got our first game turn article. ;)

Oh, I just notice I missed a ":P" in my previous post.

So: :P

2 minutes ago, theninthguardian said:

Wait, what? Where are you reading about 'neutral' status (neither honored nor dishonored)?

From the conflicts article: "(Honoring a character adds their glory value to their skills and causes their owner to gain honor when that character leaves play, while dishonoring a character subtracts their glory from their skills and causes their owner to lose honor when that character leaves play.)"

The Honored status card can be clearly seen, and it's been implied in a few other cases that it's a three state shift. This is the most explicit place though.

1 hour ago, Kiseki said:

From the conflicts article: "(Honoring a character adds their glory value to their skills and causes their owner to gain honor when that character leaves play, while dishonoring a character subtracts their glory from their skills and causes their owner to lose honor when that character leaves play.)"

The Honored status card can be clearly seen, and it's been implied in a few other cases that it's a three state shift. This is the most explicit place though.

Hoo boy. Thanks for this post, then. 'Cause me and all the other Old5rers are probably going to mix that up constantly since 'honorable' used to be the default status and it's not super explicit in what's been previewed so far. I hope that make that clearer going forward.

Ah, I see the card you're referencing now. Because of course, it wouldn't be a Fantasy Flight game w/o a million little fiddly bits to keep track of. I'm not looking forward to how messy the table are going to get. Hopefully that'll be kept under control by the fate system and characters leaving play to 'meet their destiny' or whatever.

So now my question for FFG is, does 'honoring' a dishonorable character restore them to neutral status or does it honor them?