1 minute ago, Kdubb said:

just want to note that Imperials showing overall was very low, so it makes sense that only 1 player made the cut based on how few imperial players there were to start with.

I'm not saying Imperials are fine, but the results could just as much be a self-fulfilling prophecy as it could be an indication that Imperials are just bad.

Players saw the power of scum, and outside of diehard Imperial players, players went in that direction. The issue isn't the Palp and x7 nerf- the issue is the lack of a mindlink and Jumpmaster nerf.

That is certainly partly true to some part. You get the simply better aces on scum now, so the ace players migrated. Why they did this? Because their imperial options are not competitive anymore.

17 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

And - is Belgium a language?!

No. You have your choices of French or Flemish. Most everyone speaks English as well.

25 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

Blame FFG for making the ridiculously OP Jump Master. An ugly model based off of a guy wearing toilet paper on his head, on screen for 5 seconds.

Ban hammer. It's our only hope.

Because if this game gets another 25 erratas to bring that ship to heel, no one will play anymore.

I haven't been having much trouble with Imperials lately, especially after I bought the Upsilon, SF and Striker. They're all excellent ships with several good pilots/builds, and Quickdraw is the ****.

Apparently I'm just wrong though.

3 minutes ago, asters89 said:

I think if you were to call him pathetic to his face, it says much more about you than it does him.

On the whole the FAQ was positive and well received by the player base. Sure, there's a bit more work to be done - but I'm willing to see how that shakes out. That's my take on it.

Your lack of reading comprehension does little for you. I said, "I would call Alex Davy out in this regard"
Don't put words in my mouth.

Just now, SEApocalypse said:

That is certainly partly true to some part. You get the simply better aces on scum now, so the ace players migrated. Why they did this? Because their imperial options are not competitive anymore.

But why are they not competitive? Is it because they are suddenly bad, or is it because with the existence of mindlink and jumpmasters in their current form, they are good ships that are simply the worse option compared to the atrociously efficient scum ones?

I'm gonna go with the latter.

1 minute ago, Darth Meanie said:

No. You have your choices of French or Flemish. Most everyone speaks English as well.

I know I was shaming Alex for answering that question in the affirmative.

15 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

HAVE YOU LISTENED TO HIS COMMENTARY ON GAMES?

Either he's not a real dev for X-Wing anymore or he truly doesn't understand the game. My 13 yo brother knows the cards and lists better than he does. I was constantly correcting him yesterday during his commentary.

I noticed this too. Is pretty poor for an alleged designer to be so clueless.

25 minutes ago, Giledhil said:

Except one major thing : there is no "imperial players" or "scum players" at this level of competition

Amazes me how many people on this forum seem to think you have to pick a faction and stick to it.

This isn't football.

1 minute ago, CRCL said:

I haven't been having much trouble with Imperials lately, especially after I bought the Upsilon, SF and Striker. They're all excellent ships with several good pilots/builds, and Quickdraw is the ****.

Apparently I'm just wrong though.

What are you up against? How far up have you taken your Imperial lists? How does your skill level compare to those in your area?

these are all factors in your success. And while I'm happy that you are doing well with an Imperial list you enjoy, that still doesn't negate the current data on high level Imperial play.

X7 troll was just simple and stupid! Palp is still excellent, people just got ripped off from their diapers and are crying out. Lack of skill if you can't use free crit or evade on your advantage.

Just now, Zazaa said:

X7 troll was just simple and stupid! Palp is still excellent, people just got ripped off from their diapers and are crying out. Lack of skill if you can't use free crit or evade on your advantage.

Insulting and unsupported by tournament data.

People stopped playing Palp because easy mode is off on him. Now they're switching to JMK easy mode. Simples.

1 minute ago, SabineKey said:

Insulting and unsupported by tournament data.

I'm sorry if I insult people by saying that, but why not use bit intelligence and come up with somethingelse than Palp aces or master it and become good player.

31 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Quoting so people might read it twice.

Yah, but do you really agree that Sabine has pushed interceptors out, or is it that no one has taken the time to actually try to adjust an interceptors "playstyle"(for lack of a better word) to bombs?

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: I fly Miranda/Sabine. A lot. Focus Miranda down and she dies very quickly. That isn't sometimes easy, but that's the best way to kill her, at least in the games I play and she is taken off the board.

Don't get behind her, and don't get baited into chasing her. I love it when players chase me. Makes my job relatively easy unless I'm at low HP.

Anyhoo, just my $0.02.

2 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

People stopped playing Palp because easy mode is off on him. Now they're switching to JMK easy mode. Simples.

While I haven't succumb to this, you're right... Look at Kevin (World's 2016 runner-up) playing Old Fenaroo. Truly competitive players migrate to the net lists (or create mind-blowing counters -- Nand and Justin).

I think the angst here is coming from the fact that Imperials don't really have an option to be at the top - the data supports that. The turn-out at Worlds/large events is a study in markets, really. Representation from factions has some correlation/causation to the viability of that faction's top lists.

11 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

But why are they not competitive? Is it because they are suddenly bad, or is it because with the existence of mindlink and jumpmasters in their current form, they are good ships that are simply the worse option compared to the atrociously efficient scum ones?

I'm gonna go with the latter.

Well said.

Just now, Scopes said:

Yah, but do you really agree that Sabine has pushed interceptors out, or is it that no one has taken the time to actually try to adjust an interceptors "playstyle"(for lack of a better word) to bombs?

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: I fly Miranda/Sabine. A lot. Focus Miranda down and she dies very quickly. That isn't sometimes easy, but that's te best way to kill her, at least in the games I play and she is taken off the board.

Don't get behind her, and don't get baited into chasing her. I love it when players chase me. Makes my job relatively easy unless I'm at low HP.

Anyhoo, just my $0.02.

Agreed.
JM5k's and TLTs have done more to push out Acewing than Sabine.

14 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

Your lack of reading comprehension does little for you. I said, "I would call Alex Davy out in this regard"
Don't put words in my mouth.

So please tell us, what would you say to him?

Would you tell him your 13 year old brother knows more about x-wing than him? Would you ask him whether he is a real developer for x-wing or whether he even understands the game? Would you tell him that you constantly correct his commentary? (for the benefit of whom we may ask - as presumably you didn't have much in the way of an audience).

If you were to say anything of those things to him, I'm happy to let the point stand.

1 hour ago, Johen Dood said:

Wiped out with a single FAQ. Way to go FFG, bang up job there. You'll wipe a faction off the competitive tables entirely, but you STILL can't figure out that you need to increase the cost of Jumpmasters and remove Contracted Scouts' EPT. Just pathetic.

30 minutes ago, asters89 said:

I think the chances of you calling Alex Davy or Frank Brookes 'pathetic' to their faces if you met them are pretty low.

You're absolutely right I wouldn't call them pathetic to their face, I don't even know them. Would I tell them that the FAQ was pathetic and possibly the worst decision ever made in the history of this game (after creation of JM5K)? Absolutely. Would I tell them that the balance state of the game is currently pathetic? Yes. When I f*** up at my job, I get yelled at, that's how it works. They can man up and realize that they made a big mistake and seriously harmed this game with the FAQ. They're big boys, they can handle it.

Devil Squadron (99)

Glaive Squadron Pilot (35) - TIE Defender
Juke (2), TIE/x7 (-2), Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)

Glaive Squadron Pilot (35) - TIE Defender
Juke (2), TIE/x7 (-2), Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)

Kir Kanos (29) - TIE Interceptor
Royal Guard TIE (0), Autothrusters (2), Stealth Device (3)

This is my Defender list. Most people I play with at my flgs hate it.

15 minutes ago, Kdubb said:

But why are they not competitive? Is it because they are suddenly bad, or is it because with the existence of mindlink and jumpmasters in their current form, they are good ships that are simply the worse option compared to the atrociously efficient scum ones?

I'm gonna go with the latter.

Both.

They got nerfed to the ground. They had Palpatine in a meta when even Palatine was barely enough to keep them in play. They patched out the triple jumpmaster dominance, which created a return of rebel counters, while the manaroo nerf certainly hurt a lot scum lists too, but they still had their other mindlink lists options, while Triple Defenders got hit hard enough apparently as well to see not much imperial presence left. And remember Sabine as well.
It was hard to fly Palp Aces already long before the Palp FAQ entry came, which means they nerfed a piece of the game which was already struggling hard before.

Though to be honest, I am a little surprised about not seeing more triple defenders still in the meta. They should not be that bad, but maybe I am overlooking something here. With the Palp + Manaroo nerf and basically the removal of 2 ace + support lists (outside of maybe Palob mindlink lists maybe), I stopped caring and playing. I was basically just here in the forum to check out the worlds result and see if I got it right.

And well, no tripple defenders and no quad TLTs, so I definatlly had some misses in my 6 month predictions. ;-)

Just now, Zazaa said:

I'm sorry if I insult people by saying that, but why not use bit intelligence and come up with somethingelse than Palp aces or master it and become good player.

People have. Still Imperial lists under preform. Do you really think you are the only one to think about this? That other players haven't spent time and energy trying to find Imperial lists that can preform in this current meta? Three of my closest friends (also some of the best players I know) have been knocking their heads against a wall trying to get good Imperial lists together. The do pretty good at the local scene, but not well enough yet to indicate they can go higher. And people went to Worlds with Imperial lists. They tried. But still nothing beyond the top 16. That's not a "poor baby, your toy broke" problem. That's a lack options for Imps in the current meta.

Just now, asters89 said:

So please tell us, what would you say to him?

Would you tell him your 13 year old brother knows more about x-wing than him? Would you ask him whether he is a real developer for x-wing or whether he even understands the game? Would you tell him that you constantly correct his commentary? (for the benefit of whom we may ask - as presumably you didn't have much in the way of an audience).

In light of this "challenge" I would say, "Hey Alex - do you get many games in or are you more administrative/PR for X-Wing now? I find your commentary lacking any real substance . By the way, your number one fanboy, @asters89 want you to look at him like you look at Matt Holland "

Suffice?

27 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:

I would call Alex Davy out in this regard to his face any day - HAVE YOU LISTENED TO HIS COMMENTARY ON GAMES?

Either he's not a real dev for X-Wing anymore or he truly doesn't understand the game. My 13 yo brother knows the cards and lists better than he does. I was constantly correcting him yesterday during his commentary. Constantly .

And - is Belgium a language?!

I would be dollars to doughnuts that if you were working a long, hectic weekend full of rough calls and constant pressure and I put you on camera to commentate a game I'd have some corrections for you. Have you ever tried to speak publicly and constantly when you're completely mentally blown out? It's hard. Ease off.

2 minutes ago, TasteTheRainbow said:

I would be dollars to doughnuts that if you were working a long, hectic weekend full of rough calls and constant pressure and I put you on camera to commentate a game I'd have some corrections for you. Have you ever tried to speak publicly and constantly when you're completely mentally blown out? It's hard. Ease off.

The dude woke up at 11:30am, had some coffee, and biked to work.. How effing hectic was his weekend?