6 hours ago, JJs Juggernaut said:

I will point out a few relevant facts. My only squadrons with the exception of Valen were bombers (3 TIE Bombers). It is squadron light for sure. Also, I did build "counter meta," and I only faced Rieekan aces once. In fact, that was the only squadron heavy game I played. The others had from 60-100 points, all tending to be much more multirole. Those games ended with my list being much less suited to deal with them, especially when outbid. I tried to play to the meta, and lost that gamble, I also didn't play my fleet near enough pre-worlds to feel confident in those later matchups. Those mistakes all cost me.

As for my one game vs Rieekan aces; yes, I lost. I made a few mistakes and could have planned my overall attack coordination better, but in the end I was one GR-75 hull point away from tabling my opponent. So while I did lose, it was extremely close. What I'm trying to get across is that Rieekan aces is very beatable. It might be a little harder to do that it should be, and teching against it might leave you more vulnerable to other builds. While slight, I do think the synergies available to that list might be a little too strong at the moment.

I wasn't trying to be critical of you. I do recognize Rieekan aces can be beaten, but the skill level to do that is much higher than playing Rieekan aces. My point wasn't "JJs lost to this, so it must be OP." More along the lines of "JJs and Brik ran heavy squads and did well. This time JJs did not run heavy squads, whereas Brik did. Running heavy squads TENDS to do better in competitive play." But like I said, it's a small data set so it's impossible to draw a formal conclusion from it.

6 hours ago, Brikhause said:

So FYI my list did not have Norra nor did it have FCT's or Flight Commander.

My bad. I have not been able to find any lists except for the top table. I did assume everyone brought Norra and FCTs. I guess you are the best since you didn't need those haha.

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

I have not been able to find any lists except for the top table.

Where I could find them? I mean completely, not just the " yavaris+pelta +134-squadron is op and I TOLD YOU!!! " post.

45 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Where I could find them? I mean completely, not just the " yavaris+pelta +134-squadron is op and I TOLD YOU!!! " post.

Even those aren't complete. FFG tweeted the ships n squads of the top table. No upgrades.

15 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Even those aren't complete. FFG tweeted the ships n squads of the top table. No upgrades.

Given the community effort to get full lists from minor tournaments, you would think they would have contributed the worlds tournament. I swear to god some of the community decisions they make are freaking mind boggling.

27 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Given the community effort to get full lists from minor tournaments, you would think they would have contributed the worlds tournament. I swear to god some of the community decisions they make are freaking mind boggling.

Gotta keep those top tier lists under wraps so no one steals them

3 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

I wasn't trying to be critical of you. I do recognize Rieekan aces can be beaten, but the skill level to do that is much higher than playing Rieekan aces. My point wasn't "JJs lost to this, so it must be OP." More along the lines of "JJs and Brik ran heavy squads and did well. This time JJs did not run heavy squads, whereas Brik did. Running heavy squads TENDS to do better in competitive play." But like I said, it's a small data set so it's impossible to draw a formal conclusion from it.

My bad. I have not been able to find any lists except for the top table. I did assume everyone brought Norra and FCTs. I guess you are the best since you didn't need those haha.

No worries! I am actually not that much of fan of Norra. And the reason I dropped FCT's and Flight commander was to be lean and more focused on the anti-squadron so I focused on having Dutch and Wedge. I figured if I won the squadron game I would win the game. For about 90% of the time this held true. The other 10% was bad execution on my part, or a great counter to where it was difficult to eliminate squadrons in a timely manner.

8 minutes ago, Brikhause said:

No worries! I am actually not that much of fan of Norra. And the reason I dropped FCT's and Flight commander was to be lean and more focused on the anti-squadron so I focused on having Dutch and Wedge. I figured if I won the squadron game I would win the game. For about 90% of the time this held true. The other 10% was bad execution on my part, or a great counter to where it was difficult to eliminate squadrons in a timely manner.

Could you provide maybe some more details on the latter situation?

Would this be a tarpit that makes it difficult for the list to score points timely, or is it something specifically death inducing?

1 minute ago, Eggzavier said:

Could you provide maybe some more details on the latter situation?

Would this be a tarpit that makes it difficult for the list to score points timely, or is it something specifically death inducing?

Certainly, the two games I lost were to Norm and Nathan. Honestly I believe I had the hard counter to Norm, as he did not have intel in his list. The problem was I did not realize this until after I deployed. Obviously Norm's strategy was like my own dominate the squadron game and you have the game. The issue is he was facing another GH list so how do you win a Squadron game when your squadron attacks are ineffective. The reason I lost was bad execution on my part because I did not realize Norm did not have Jan or any other Intel until after I deployed. I just assumed he did, just like you assume a gladiator has demolisher title. So had I known I would have deployed a lot more aggressively. As it was I still flew at him aggressively and knocked out Yavaris, a bcc flotilla, and GH and like 1-2 squadrons. The problem was the objective was fire lanes and we could not finish the 6th round and went to time so I ended up with a 6-5 in his favor.

The other game was Nathan who played exceptionally well against me, and honestly I felt he had the best list of the tourney. The key in that game was the fact that I could not get shots at his Jan. My strategy was going to be to activate Jan with Dutch and then deliver a cou de grace with wedge or Dutch through an Adar talon inactivation and yavaris double tap. Meanwhile locking all other squadrons down and rendering them ineffective as there only option to attack something would have been one of my GH protected squadron. The problem is Nathan perfectly surrounded Jan with 3 escorts (Biggs, wedge, and a yet-1300) and so I could not get a good shot with Dutch and wedge. This delayed me killing Jan in a timely manner as I had to chew through his biggs ball for two turns. All the while he moved in his MC30 and got GH and dead to rights around turn 4 and it snow balled from there.

It should be noted that Nathan was the only opponent I faced with more than one escort squadron, this was a weakness I saw in a lot of lists, was the lack of escort in particular the pelta Rieekan builds. Those builds were so heavily focused on having heavy bombers and utilizing FCT/flight commander that they didn't do a lot to protect Jan. So I saw my list as a great counter to them as I could activate Jan with Dutch and light her up with wedge while locking down all my other opponents and rendering them ineffective as they could not shoot at my ships and had to shoot at a GH protected squadron.

2 minutes ago, Brikhause said:

*snip*

Thank you.

I too noticed a distinct lack of escort, and in some cases Intel.