Lets face! After watching worlds, the one thing that needs to be changed is Mindlink. At least one player on every stream had mindlink(Goldsquadron, krayts and FFG). Mindlink is undercosted and needs to be changed to 2 pts. That would fix it. Some of you may say PTL is just better then, but remember with Mindlink when you bump you can still get a focus from a buddy. With PTL that is not happening.

Mindlink should cost 2 points. IMO.

Thanks,

Not mindlink, jumpmaster. Else we would see other powerfull scum mindlink lists. Its just so easy to clear stress with the Jumpmaster dial.

It should, but they won't change the cost of a card. You may as well ask them to change it to be printed on gold leaf with a mother of pearl inlay, it won't happen.

Just now, Dwing said:

Not mindlink, jumpmaster. Else we would see other powerfull scum mindlink lists. Its just so easy to clear stress with the Jumpmaster dial.

Or maybe, and open your mind real wide here... maybe its's BOTH.

1 minute ago, Dwing said:

Its just so easy to clear stress with the Jumpmaster dial.

Protectorate and Lancer say hi.

1 minute ago, Stay On The Leader said:

It should, but they won't change the cost of a card. You may as well ask them to change it to be printed on gold leaf with a mother of pearl inlay, it won't happen.

That would be cool! Expensive, but cool.

As a person that has never flown mindlink, mindlink is fine. Get better at the game.

4 minutes ago, nikk whyte said:

As a person that has never flown mindlink, mindlink is fine. Get better at the game.

As someone who's won a tournament using it, and has been tabled by it in the hands of far inferior players, it really isn't.

I won tournaments last year with Manaroo, Guri and Palop. Manaroo was always the key to getting the most out of Mindlink. I am not saying Mindlink is not great. But you commit all epts in your list to the idea. Being able to clear stress before most ships are blocking you, on a cheap ship with a great dial with a lot of greens, is the real power behind mindlink.

Are you kidding? Mindlink is sweet! The best upgrade card. Period.

Leave it be, or there will be over-salty new Scum players that already have nightmares about their previously hard-countered/nerfed squads. I don't have the funds for more therapists, thank you very much.

I think it needs the X7 treatment. "When you perform a focus action, all other ships with mindlink may perform a free focus action. When you receive a stress token, each ship with mindlink also receives a stress token (if it does not already have one)." This is a double nerf as it does not work on assigning tokens and it won't work on stressed ships. It does not need the token restriction on focus as you cannot perform the same action twice. You can even remove the token restriction on stress if you really want to kill it with fire.

16 minutes ago, Stay On The Leader said:

Or maybe, and open your mind real wide here... maybe its's BOTH.

Maybe start by getting the Jumpmasters fixed before drawing conclusions ?

24 minutes ago, eagletsi111 said:

Lets face! After watching worlds, the one thing that needs to be changed is Mindlink. Thanks,

Four nerfs. Two world champions. Clearly deadeye Zuckuss Manaroo mindlink was the problem.

How can you balance mindlink when it's put on a broken JM5K?

You need to fix the JM5K first before you adjust anything used on it.

4 minutes ago, Moppy said:

Four nerfs. Two world champions. Clearly deadeye Zuckuss Manaroo mindlink was the problem.

How can you balance mindlink when it's put on a broken JM5K?

You need to fix the JM5K first before you adjust anything used on it.

It's worth noting that the Mindlink list that made the top 4 at Worlds didn't include a JumpMaster...

• Fenn + ML + AT + title
• Asajj + ML + Latts
• Palob + ML + TLT

Turrets: need to work like Lancers, failing to make that change, don't allow them to modify out of arc

mindlink: free focus action

in two sentences half of our balance issues could be solved

or wait i have an idea, stop nerfing ANYTHING imperial. It just seems that if Imperials are REALLY good they get nerfed. While everyone one else doesn't. Maybe it's just me.

10 minutes ago, Dwing said:

Maybe start by getting the Jumpmasters fixed before drawing conclusions ?

• Did Scum lists with Jumpmasters and Minlink do well? Yes.
• Did Scum lists with Jumpmasters and without Mindlink do well? Yes.
• Did Scum lists without Jumpmasters but with Mindlink do well? Yes.

4 minutes ago, Lobokai said:

Turrets: need to work like Lancers, failing to make that change, don't allow them to modify out of arc

mindlink: free focus action

in two sentences half of our balance issues could be solved

Putting that turret change into practice will take a hell of a lot more than a sentence.

The mindlink amendment I'd generally support (even as a mindlink player).

Mindlinks cost is in the planning phase and the amount of ships on the board. Taking away the ability to give a focus token to a ship that got stressed because another ship did will make it go from usable to never seen again. A mindlinked list would never be able to do a k turn again. Making it two points will drive it from most ships that can use it because you already have to pay a increase to ships to gain an EPT slot. It's no where near as cut and dry as people believe it to be.

8 minutes ago, Lobokai said:

Turrets: need to work like Lancers, failing to make that change, don't allow them to modify out of arc

mindlink: free focus action

in two sentences half of our balance issues could be solved

Unfortunately, the Lancer is the only PWT that has guns facing forward and a turret.

12 minutes ago, Lobokai said:

Turrets: need to work like Lancers, failing to make that change, don't allow them to modify out of arc

This!!! Ever since i started playing with the Caster, i've been wondering why all turrets dont work like that. Would still be powerful but you would have to fly carefully to not lose an action for changing your turret arc.

On a side note, IMO the Caster is just as OP as the Jumpmaster, especially Asajj. Super tanky+control+good offense+amazing dial for a very low cost. That's too much.

12 minutes ago, Jarval said:

It's worth noting that the Mindlink list that made the top 4 at Worlds didn't include a JumpMaster...

• Fenn + ML + AT + title
• Asajj + ML + Latts
• Palob + ML + TLT

So no list with Mindlink is allowed to do well now without wanting a nerf?

If there's a problem, it's with jmks first.

No need to rope Nick's list in with the other mindlinks with jmks.

11 hours ago, Tlfj200 said:

So no list with Mindlink is allowed to do well now without wanting a nerf?

If there's a problem, it's with jmks first.

No need to rope Nick's list in with the other mindlinks with jmks.

If it was OP for defenders to get a free evade no matter what, why is it not the same for a squad capable of getting free focus as long as just 1 ship is able to take an action? On ships that have both an evade and a focus action, which one do you use the most?

2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

So no list with Mindlink is allowed to do well now without wanting a nerf?

So no list with JumpMasters is allowed to do well without wanting a nerf? That Dengar/Tel winning list is not a list anyone would have predicted being a winning proposition before Worlds, and isn't a problem that needs nerfing IMO.

Equally, I don't think that Mindlink is necessarily a fundamentally problematic card, but the JumpMaster clearly isn't the only thing making it a good choice.

2 minutes ago, asters89 said:

Putting that turret change into practice will take a hell of a lot more than a sentence.

"Turrets use mobile firing arc rules"