Who thinks we will see the heavy bombers of Tie Punishers and K wings? If so what do you think the stats and key words will be?

Mine

Tie Punisher: speed 4 hull 8 keyword bomber heavy, 2 black anti squad 2 black anti ship. Ace name to be determined same stat line and key words special ability may attack twice.

K wing: speed 2 hull 8 bomber heavy slam 1 (after moving instead of attacking may move up to speed 1) 2 as dice 2 black anti squad dice. Ace name to be determined same stats and slam 2 (after moving instead of attacking may move up to speed 2)

In before Blail shows up screaming bloody murder about squadrons!

Double black bombers? Attacking twice with a double black bomber? Those are both things that really don't need to be around, unless exceptionally expensive.

Keep in mind we also have Jendon, so that could be 3 attacks, 6 black bomber dice, in 2 activations. I'd expect to toss 35-40 pts on a speed 4 8 hull double black bomber that can attack twice. Makes Morna Kee look like a gnat. Everything added needs to take into account whats already out there, it is a concept called design space and it is alive and well.

4 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Double black bombers? Attacking twice with a double black bomber? Those are both things that really don't need to be around, unless exceptionally expensive.

You can get that already with yavaris Keyan.

... It just can't Synergy with Rhymer and has to not move... I note the above doesn't have a "If it doesn't move..." restriction - which, again, is kind of irrelevant when you are bombing at Medium Range.

9 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Double black bombers? Attacking twice with a double black bomber? Those are both things that really don't need to be around, unless exceptionally expensive.

Keep in mind we also have Jendon, so that could be 3 attacks, 6 black bomber dice, in 2 activations. I'd expect to toss 35-40 pts on a speed 4 8 hull double black bomber that can attack twice. Makes Morna Kee look like a gnat. Everything added needs to take into account whats already out there, it is a concept called design space and it is alive and well.

okay may attack twice but can't attack the next round.

For the Imperial Bomber even getting blue+black would be pretty good. Double dice bomber with 8 hull would be perfect. So we won't see it

19 minutes ago, chr335 said:

okay may attack twice but can't attack the next round.

Then we enter the world of asinine book keeping. Not generally a good place.

You can get that already with yavaris Keyan.

... It just can't Synergy with Rhymer and has to not move... I note the above doesn't have a "If it doesn't move..." restriction - which, again, is kind of irrelevant when you are bombing at Medium Range.

Keyan is double black? Honestly forgot, although we've had a tonne of B wing players, I can't say he makes it to the table much. At least thats not 4 speed 8 hull.

15 minutes ago, pt106 said:

For the Imperial Bomber even getting blue+black would be pretty good. Double dice bomber with 8 hull would be perfect. So we won't see it

so much truth

2 minutes ago, Darthain said:

Then we enter the world of asinine book keeping. Not generally a good place.

Keyan is double black? Honestly forgot, although we've had a tonne of B wing players, I can't say he makes it to the table much. At least thats not 4 speed 8 hull.

Yep. Double Black. Built in Reroll if he's not hitting shields.

But he's 20-points for that Reroll on a B-Wing Frame...

AND he's unique. So its not something you're doing across the board... But he's still not cheap.

Just now, Drasnighta said:

Yep. Double Black. Built in Reroll if he's not hitting shields.

But he's 20-points for that Reroll on a B-Wing Frame...

AND he's unique. So its not something you're doing across the board... But he's still not cheap.

Yeah he was generally regarded as having a useless ability (maybe works 1-2 times in a game), moves slow, has kill me painted on him, etc. But yes, unique is a factor, 1 is likely OK, a fleet though, good lord.

I do have plans to Trip-Tap-Keyan more often...

My vote for punisher ace is Deathrain just cuase I find the callsign funny. Plus it gives me a chance to sing the silly song I made up for him while playing armada.

DEATHRAIN!!! Straps the bomb to your brain.

I included Keyan in a Reeikan aces list with Adar Tallon, Yavarris and Norra. I've had him do 11 damage in single turns multiple times. Feel like people really underestimate that guy...or estimate him properly, but can't kill him through the zombie, damage sharing escorts...either way. If you have ways to multiply individual squadrons (Adar Tallon, Yavaris), his base damage is the same as equivalent points in Y-Wings, but amplifies very quickly.

I feel like as long as Adar Tallon and Yavaris continue to exist in thier current forms, double black non-uniques aren't going to happen for rebels...and as long as Rhymer exists in his current form, will not happen for imps.

2 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

I included Keyan in a Reeikan aces list with Adar Tallon, Yavarris and Norra. I've had him do 11 damage in single turns multiple times. Feel like people really underestimate that guy...or estimate him properly, but can't kill him through the zombie, damage sharing escorts...either way. If you have ways to multiply individual squadrons (Adar Tallon, Yavaris), his base damage is the same as equivalent points in Y-Wings, but amplifies very quickly.

I feel like as long as Adar Tallon and Yavaris continue to exist in thier current forms, double black non-uniques aren't going to happen for rebels...and as long as Rhymer exists in his current form, will not happen for imps.

The scrap formerly known as Avenger seconds this. It's actually ridiculous.

blooody murder.

=)

I feel like we are generally in a good place with squadrons at the moment, especially bombers.

Oh i'm certain we'll see K-Wings and the TIE Punisher in Armada eventually, but hopefully not for a wave or 3. We kind of got swarmed with fighters with the last wave and CC.

I expect them to be Hull 6 maybe 7 tops though I don't think a K-wing is as durable as a YT-1300 so Hull 6 sounds right.

K-wing

6-7 Hull, Speed 2, 3 Red Battery, 2 Blue 1 Black AS

Bomber, Heavy, Accurate Bombing

Accurate Bombing: All Battery Attacks count as having an Accuracy for that attack.

20 points.

Ace:

6-7 Hull, Speed 2, 1 Red 1 Blue 1 Black Battery, 1 Blue 2 Black AS

Special: A Defending Ship may only spend 1 defense token during the Spend Defense Token Step.

Bomber, Heavy, Accurate Bombing

25 points

TIE Punisher:

6-7 Hull, Speed 3, 1 Black, 1 Red Battery, 2 Black AS.

Bomber, Heavy

16 points

Ace: DEATHRAIN (Maybe?)

6-7 Hull, Speed 3, 1 Black, 1 Blue Battery, 3 Black AS.

Special: While a friendly squadron at Distance 1 is attacking a ship, it may spend a die to turn one of its dice to a side with a [crit symbol]

Heavy, Grit, Bomber

22 points

Scimitar assault bomber over punisher any day.

7 hours ago, ISD Avenger said:

Scimitar assault bomber over punisher any day.

Amen. Heck i'd rather see almost any other TIE bomber design over the TIE Punisher.

I don't need them soon but I would like to see K-Wings at some point. I hated them in X-Wing since they were first previewed but I've come around in them and love them now.

I figure I'll probably fly Imperials more than Rebels in Armada, so Punishers would be nice too, but only if they are actually hard-hitting and worth using, rather than how they were released in X-Wing.

The K-wing and the Punisher....yeah...just what we need ANOTHER bomber for Rhymer to abuse.

On 08/05/2017 at 8:03 AM, Hyperspace Ninja said:

DEATHRAIN!!! Straps the bomb to your brain.

Sabaton could make this song, and make it awesome. E-mail them.

Heavy bombers don't need to have more attack die... just a couple of more hit points and an existing special rule (grit as standard for example, to show the determination of the pilots)