Playing RtL, we've found it really impossible for the heroes to win if the OL rushes to raze Tamalir. When this was asked , the answers mainly included houserules. What I want to know is whether any of you has beaten the OL when he tried to raze Tamalir in early-copper, without using houserules.

By killing the LTs. Liutenants are weak in Copper, and it will take several weeks to raze Tamalir, so the Hero's have plenty of opportunity to buff themselves via dungeons before confronting the razing LT.

dragontamer said:

dragontamer said:

Yes, twice.

Well, one was actually in Silver on a 'silver start', but the effects are similar to bronze (actually worse - the pressure comes on faster and the OL has treachery).
OL got to spend his 100XP on anything he could buy during bronze level so started with silver monsters, 3 Lts (including Thaad), seige engines and some treachery. He also started with Riverwatch razed (so more CT/turn and no special market) It was real nasty.
The heroes had to more or less abandon blitzing due to map-board pressure. The OL was quickly able to upgrade to gold humanoids and then silver eldritch.
Heroes managed to defeat Thaad on Tamalir by the narrowest of margins (largely due to Okaluk dodging and being very hard to hit while blocking a corridor and having the ranged and magic heroes operate from deep, but eventually he was hit and killed in one attack. Then a Raged Gold Master Manticore wiped out Karnon and would have wiped out Silhouette in the same turn but for a miss. Landrec went down later and Silhouette was the last surviving hero when the bad guys fled (Thaad almost dead) so it was very touch and go.
The heroes then were able to re-equip and upgrade the walls while Alric seiged them (they couldn't afford to take him on the same turn, but with Thaad gone, the wall levels instantly increased by one, meaning Alric couldn't roll for the raze). After several turns re-equipping with potions and treasures and ore further upgrading the walls the heroes just managed to defeat Alric before Thaad reappeared at the gates, giving them 4-5 turns grace. During those 4 turns they completed the legendary dungeon, flipped the campaign to gold, trained at the secret master and did another dungeon (getting some gold items) before returning to Tamalir with the campign near to completion. Thaad couldn't hold off decently equipped and upgraded gold heroes, though it was not an easy fight.

dragontamer said:

My group did it! In the early-copper the LTs are very weak, and if the OL bases his strategy only toward the razing of Tamalir he could easily loose the campaign...

I failed a Tamalir Blitz last night. Copper level, Two LT's beating on the city, The heroes came and shooed them off. It was close! And they had to time it properly. But they managed to do it.

How early was it in copper? If it was anywhere near flipping to silver, a lieutenant loss is expected.