When time was called at a recent local tournament, my opponent and I had each destroyed only one ship in the other's squad. Both ships were valued at 27 squad points. We rolled for a final salvo using the unmodified attack values of the remaining ships on the mat. My opponent won the salvo on our second roll, as we both rolled the exact same thing on the first roll.

How does this get calculated for tournament scoring? There was several suggestions made while we were trying to figure it out, but in the end, I marked 27 points destroyed, 27 points lost, and a match loss. My opponent did the same, only he marked a match win. I am also wondering how this situation contributes to overall MOV.

I appreciate any insight from the community...

You did it correctly - you both get marked at having destroyed 27 points of ships, and the winner gets a win.

If you both had tabled each other, you'd both be marked as destroying 100 points and the relevant result.

Good deal. Thank you!

A FULL WIN with a MoV of ZERO... makes lots of sense...

The MoV is actually 100 for both players, but it does count for a full win of 1 point.

5 hours ago, joeshmoe554 said:

The MoV is actually 100 for both players, but it does count for a full win of 1 point.

Give you that although the actual "margin" between the two players is zero although the recorded MoV is the difference between total points killed +/- depending on which side you're on.

On 5/4/2017 at 11:27 PM, StevenO said:

Give you that although the actual "margin" between the two players is zero although the recorded MoV is the difference between total points killed +/- depending on which side you're on.

For my case, would it be...

27-27=0

Winner: 100+0=100

Loser: 100-0=100

Correct?

Yep, or my preferred formula MoV = 100 + points destroyed - points lost.

58 minutes ago, joeshmoe554 said:

Yep, or my preferred formula MoV = 100 + points destroyed - points lost.

Wow you finally explained MoV in a way that makes sense to me.

7 hours ago, TheDarkFather said:

For my case, would it be...

27-27=0

Winner: 100+0=100

Loser: 100-0=100

Correct?

It looks right to me.

It is a bit strange that in a tie coin flip final salvo game both players have a MoV of 100 which seems to mean there is some difference between them. Just blame the systems that can't seem to work with negative numbers as MoV as the difference in points kills with the winner being + and the loser being - would be much cleaner although I guess some may misread +/- signs.

On 10/05/2017 at 7:39 PM, StevenO said:

It looks right to me.

It is a bit strange that in a tie coin flip final salvo game both players have a MoV of 100 which seems to mean there is some difference between them. Just blame the systems that can't seem to work with negative numbers as MoV as the difference in points kills with the winner being + and the loser being - would be much cleaner although I guess some may misread +/- signs.

Why is it strange ?! If you win 27-26 you end up with MOV 101-99, so why would a match ending 27-27 not be 100-100 ? A 100-100 mean you are average, exactly as good as your opponent, the MOV having a range of 0 to 200 it seems fit that a tie end up in the middle. Both MOV at 100 do not mean there is some difference, it means there is no difference at all.

Edit: Winning with an MOV of 100 is the worst possible win, this will hinder your tie breaker a lot, everyone else won "better" then you this round. But on the contrary, loosing with an MOV of 100 mean you lost less then everyone else, so this is really good for the looser

Strange as in you have a positive MoV victory even when you lose. The winner should have a positive MoV and the loser should have a negative MoV as the didn't get the "victory" and thus were -X from getting it. There is a tremendous difference between winning with a margin of 100 and "winning" with a margin of 0 but FFGs scoring adds 100 to everyone's margin. Maybe it's because "we can't have losers in this game by giving them a negative score."

1 minute ago, StevenO said:

Strange as in you have a positive MoV victory even when you lose. The winner should have a positive MoV and the loser should have a negative MoV as the didn't get the "victory" and thus were -X from getting it. There is a tremendous difference between winning with a margin of 100 and "winning" with a margin of 0 but FFGs scoring adds 100 to everyone's margin. Maybe it's because "we can't have losers in this game by giving them a negative score."

I mean, this is exactly what happens.

MoV goes from 0 to 200, not -100 to +100.

OK, so my local group is running a league with odball themes each week where we get 3 points for playing, 1 point bonus for the win, 1 bonus point for using the theme for the week then MOV for the tiebreaker. Top three games of each week are used. So I had a game last night that ended with simultanius fire destruction of the last ship for both players. So we went to final salvo, that I won, neither of us was sure about how to score for MOV so we asked the guy that is running the league and he told us to score it 101-99. Is this different than what would happen in a tournament or is it different from the original posters question due to it being full destruction of both sides?

Just now, bgrelle said:

OK, so my local group is running a league with odball themes each week where we get 3 points for playing, 1 point bonus for the win, 1 bonus point for using the theme for the week then MOV for the tiebreaker. Top three games of each week are used. So I had a game last night that ended with simultanius fire destruction of the last ship for both players. So we went to final salvo, that I won, neither of us was sure about how to score for MOV so we asked the guy that is running the league and he told us to score it 101-99. Is this different than what would happen in a tournament or is it different from the original posters question due to it being full destruction of both sides?

... did you read the thread? Your question is answered in the thread.

But to answer it again, the winner gets a win and 100 MoV, the loser gets a loss and 100 MoV.

51 minutes ago, bgrelle said:

OK, so my local group is running a league with odball themes each week where we get 3 points for playing, 1 point bonus for the win, 1 bonus point for using the theme for the week then MOV for the tiebreaker. Top three games of each week are used. So I had a game last night that ended with simultanius fire destruction of the last ship for both players. So we went to final salvo, that I won, neither of us was sure about how to score for MOV so we asked the guy that is running the league and he told us to score it 101-99. Is this different than what would happen in a tournament or is it different from the original posters question due to it being full destruction of both sides?

Short answer is you scored it incorrectly although that is apparently what you were told to do.

I guess I'm not sure if it is still in the FAQ but the ONLY time I can think of that you'd score a game 101-99 when both sides destroy the same number of points is when both sides have had all of their points destroyed yet one side still has the Nasha Pup on the board to claim a win.

2 minutes ago, StevenO said:

Short answer is you scored it incorrectly although that is apparently what you were told to do.

I guess I'm not sure if it is still in the FAQ but the ONLY time I can think of that you'd score a game 101-99 when both sides destroy the same number of points is when both sides have had all of their points destroyed yet one side still has the Nasha Pup on the board to claim a win.

Yup that's correct. And even the Pup is a purely arbitrary decision by FFG; I'd be inclined to rule that the Pup ought to be worth 6 points, or 7 if the pilot brings VI over.

But then, the Pup is a rules mess anyway. Fortunately, it's one that almost nobody uses.

6 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

Yup that's correct. And even the Pup is a purely arbitrary decision by FFG; I'd be inclined to rule that the Pup ought to be worth 6 points, or 7 if the pilot brings VI over.

But then, the Pup is a rules mess anyway. Fortunately, it's one that almost nobody uses.

The Pup could have easily keep MoV scoring the same (100 points each) but tournament points when the dog stands alone would be challenging. The same score indicates a tie with is apparently IMPOSSIBLE to naturally obtain, or so it seems people think, but it also ran into tabling your opponent which should have always been a full (5 point) win except that it failed to clear the pathetic margin needed to avoid modified (3 point) win. Now that it seems ties are impossible to obtain and that a win by 0 points gives the same tournament points as completely wiping your opponent without casualties there is no reason to value the Pup at any more than the 0 points it is actually worth; if it's the last ship standing that side wins.

6 hours ago, thespaceinvader said:

... did you read the thread? Your question is answered in the thread.

But to answer it again, the winner gets a win and 100 MoV, the loser gets a loss and 100 MoV.

I did read the thread but it all looked to me like it was still dealing with his original question of a game going to time with an equal number of points for each side left on the table. Which is why I asked if it made a difference with it being a total destruction for both sides situation. As for the scoring, if I can get three more wins in this week (with better than a 1 point MOV) it won't matter anyway.