12 minutes ago, Kakita Shiro said:

Because Togashi's continued existence in the mortal world meant no other Dragon Clan character could get meaningful stories.

But eliminating a lot of Towashi's supernatural elements doesn't really prevent that. He is still 1000 years old, extremely wise and the founding Kami. By design he outshines many mortal characters. By bringing him down you make arguably the most important dragon character feel lackluster compared to the other Kami.

Just now, Doji Tori said:

But eliminating a lot of Towashi's supernatural elements doesn't really prevent that. He is still 1000 years old, extremely wise and the founding Kami. By design he outshines many mortal characters. By bringing him down you make arguably the most important dragon character feel lackluster compared to the other Kami.

It's not a question of bringing him down, it's a question of removing him from the narrative, the way the other kami had left the narrative.

1 minute ago, Kakita Shiro said:

It's not a question of bringing him down, it's a question of removing him from the narrative, the way the other kami had left the narrative.

I agree with you on that point. What I meant to say is that removing supernatural elements from his character doesn't actually do that.

The way they choose to do it, by feigning his death and being a very apathetic in his role of champion kinda makes sense to me. The problem with that is that you end up with an extremely boring dragon champion and we are left to wonder why would he not act even to prevent his clan from collapsing like at the beginning of this thread.

If they still want to keep him in the story maybe it would be better if he impersonated a random monk or something. If they keep him as champion he becomes a character that's very difficult to handle well, but I believe it could be done.

15 minutes ago, Kakita Shiro said:

They didn't change much about Togashi (just the tamashii bit), they just provided a new perspective BY having the Seven Fortunes pass judgement on him.

Rubbish. They changed almost everything about him. 'The tamashii bit' alone is a massive change, and they also took away his visions, his being an actual dragon. Originally, his soul was mostly gone after he spoke through Hitomi to call out Onnatangu on his evil deeds. The whole 'Satsu had all of Togashi's mind hanging around in him' was in itself a retcon.

11 minutes ago, Kakita Shiro said:

It's not a question of bringing him down, it's a question of removing him from the narrative, the way the other kami had left the narrative.

He *was* gone from the narrative. Wulf and co. decided to change that to 'nah, he's still kinda possessing his grandkid. Oh, and by the way, he was a soul-consuming body-snatcher'.

I wasn't around at the time. It may be that everything happened as you describe it. All I know is what happened in Heaven's Net, which I had to scour Kaze no Shiro to find.

I still think elminating Togashi was the right decision.

Assuming there are no big fundemental changes to the pre-story Togashi/Dragon clan set up, I think the best (or at least one of the more interesting) way the Dragon Clan story can go will be for Togashi's foresight to be wrong and/or someone (Kukujin?) does something where he can step outside of it and becomes a true wild card.

3 hours ago, Jedi samurai said:

Didn't he go into the sword?

At first- then all the swords got scooped up by Amaterasu.

Part of why Tsukune agreed to the whole "Fortune of Rebirth" thing as because otherwise, with her death, the Soul of Shiba would be lost to the Clan. Aikune went looking and found Ofushikai, but still couldn't feel the Soul of Shiba- until he used Isawa's Last Wish to dissolve its bond with the sword and instead linked it to the Shiba Bloodline.

It as rather curious that my favorite Great Clan got to do this sort of thing (ascending to Tengoku, wielding godlike sentient spells in a journey to find a lost blade in the Celestial heavens, anchoring the essence of their Kami to their very bloodline), while letting the Dragon have Togashi around in any way, shape or form, was evidently too much. Had he been a simple influence, rather than an active voice in Satsu's head, I would be 100% onboard with Dragon objections to Heaven's Net. As it stands, though... see any of my innumerable posts about the flaws inherent in having an entire faction dependent upon a single character to that extent.

But as of the current writing, in the new timeline, literally none of those things have happened- Maybe Togashi-Kami isn;t disguised as Yokuni, but as someone else. Maybe he's just a soul linked to his Clan, like Shiba. Maybe Shiba is already in the bloodline, rather than in Ofushikai. Maybe we'll see some version of Aikune the Walking Plot Device (And His Little Sword Too!) in the future. We'll see.