I'm a squadron guy, but even I'm not excited to see a bunch of squadrons, flotillas, and small base ships on the board.

the crew with whom I play with every week watched for an hour and got bored. That's not good.

28 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Really?

Because If I only wanted to put 3 things on the board and be only concerned about where they were moving... I'd play X-Wing.

You know thats not what he was saying at all and to characterise it like that is just dumb and unhelpful.

At no point did he say 'I just want to have to control three things'. He said he wants the focus of the game to be on capital ships and capital ship movement. Which for a game about capital ships isn't ridiculous.

I love Squadrons and I will happily say that the balance has swung too far. Squads should be important, like they are in the cannon, but at the end of the day it's not wrong to want your game about capital ships to have the spotlight be on them.

Just now, Captain Weather said:

You know thats not what he was saying at all and to characterise it like that is just dumb and unhelpful.

At no point did he say 'I just want to have to control three things'. He said he wants the focus of the game to be on capital ships and capital ship movement. Which for a game about capital ships isn't ridiculous.

I love Squadrons and I will happily say that the balance has swung too far. Squads should be important, like they are in the cannon, but at the end of the day it's not wrong to want your game about capital ships to have the spotlight be on them.

I'm not disagreeing.

Equating Armada Squadrons to X-Wing Ships is just as pointless.

Regardless, complaining about it is about as dumb and unhelpful as you can get.

All they needed to do was make squads a bit more better in bombing, maybe an extra dice but they cost more or squads limited to 90 pts. or something close to that. Its a shame cause moving cap ship(not floats) is a lot of fun.

Good for the everyone who played! I'm happy to see a good turnout.

3 minutes ago, Sybreed said:

the crew with whom I play with every week watched for an hour and got bored. That's not good.

Agreed. I was one of the first to use and succeed with Rieekan squadrons back when Rieekan was a "pointless" commander who only helped you if you were "bad" enough to lose a ship. Even I'm a little disgusted with that final and top 4. I have faith, though. If you look at X-Wing's latest errata, FFG is not exactly afraid of the nerfbat.

7 minutes ago, Captain Weather said:

You know thats not what he was saying at all and to characterise it like that is just dumb and unhelpful.

At no point did he say 'I just want to have to control three things'. He said he wants the focus of the game to be on capital ships and capital ship movement. Which for a game about capital ships isn't ridiculous.

I love Squadrons and I will happily say that the balance has swung too far. Squads should be important, like they are in the cannon, but at the end of the day it's not wrong to want your game about capital ships to have the spotlight be on them.

Didn't FFG allocate more than 25 percent of fleet points available to playing squadrons?

Wasn't there a rumor that one of the proposed FFG erratas on flotillas would be having them count towards the squadron point count?

It would be a crazy nerf but it would certainly push the meta back to capital ship combat.

6 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I'm not disagreeing.

Equating Armada Squadrons to X-Wing Ships is just as pointless.

Regardless, complaining about it is about as dumb and unhelpful as you can get.

I actually cannot believe you're taking the time NOW to do this again. When is enough for you? 3/top4 6/top8 are ALL two Rieekan Squadrons archetypes (Pelta and GH variants). As of now no Imperial list at all in the top8.

Really??? You're gonna do this now? Really? Do you really have to be that contrary?

1 minute ago, Blail Blerg said:

I actually cannot believe you're taking the time NOW to do this again. When is enough for you? 3/top4 6/top8 are ALL two Rieekan Squadrons archetypes (Pelta and GH variants). As of now no Imperial list at all in the top8.

Really??? You're gonna do this now? Really? Do you really have to be that contrary?

I'm sorry, I'm doing What now?

Advocating that we should be talking about Armada in an Armada Forum and not X-Wing?

My only "position" is to not complain, because I have faith that it'll be "fixed" if its a "problem".

Ya I've taken a break from Armada and been playing more X-wing since this Jan/Biggs/Rieekan Gallent Haven silliness has taken over the meta. I have faith it will balance out in future waves or get FAQ'd.

3 minutes ago, Truthiness said:

Agreed. I was one of the first to use and succeed with Rieekan squadrons back when Rieekan was a "pointless" commander who only helped you if you were "bad" enough to lose a ship. Even I'm a little disgusted with that final and top 4. I have faith, though. If you look at X-Wing's latest errata, FFG is not exactly afraid of the nerfbat.

Hey @Truthiness. =) Jw, do you play Xwing? I actually got really saddened by that game. We thought we were moving into a beautiful new era with the nerfs, but now about a month in we are realizing that the same ships are coming back from the worst era of Xwing, Wave4-6 Large ship turrets only.

I am not opposed to this being a viable list but give imps the same squadron synergy or give capital ships the ability to,actually kill the bastards. Oh and nerf reeikan.

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

I'm sorry, I'm doing What now?

Advocating that we should be talking about Armada in an Armada Forum and not X-Wing?

Being contrary and white knighting. I remind you again. Go look at those stats.

Let's all chill for a bit. Some of us just had a great time at worlds. It was tons of fun. We had lots of great conversations. Camaraderie was good.

i saw a lot of variety in lists and we can all parse out those varieties in coming days.

bottom line: I had fun. Lots of people had fun. We've got new stuff to look forward to in a month.

Armada is my game to Enjoy. I enjoy it.

Armada is FFG's game to monitor. Their job. Not mine.

Besides, I'm watching the Worlds Final. And its an exciting Game... Very tactical, Very Thinky, VERY Tense.

19 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Besides, I'm watching the Worlds Final. And its an exciting Game... Very tactical, Very Thinky, VERY Tense.

Everything I know that I personally want out of the game. Even if the Commander choice feels slightly stale.

And honestly there is a perverse bit of fun, looking at the two lists and going "how on earth was I supposed to beat that with what I wanted to bring?"

Norm takes it at the end of 5th, due to time, and a Superior Positions Token...

(150 vs 171)

25 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Norm takes it at the end of 5th, due to time, and a Superior Positions Token...

(150 vs 171)

Wait sorry they called time on the final of the World Championship? Ahahahahaha I thought we moved the dates to avoid such issues.

Well that was... frustrating. Congrats to Norm though.

Unlike many others I don't think Rieekan needs any nerf. I think it's only because Wave V brought us so many new fighters to play with, he just became effective. And as most of us didn't play much against him, he was a great choice for a list you don't know how to counter about. But my guess is that now anti-Rieekan lists will be all-over the forum, hence we'll learn how to counter him effectively and thus then number Rieekan lists will diminish again.

good to see finalists taking their time and getting the moves right rather than rushing and perhaps making an egregious error... also, washers officially sanctioned? the washer player was in top 4 last year. i would imagine ffg has no problem with it.

3 minutes ago, SkyCake said:

good to see finalists taking their time and getting the moves right rather than rushing and perhaps making an egregious error... also, washers officially sanctioned? the washer player was in top 4 last year. i would imagine ffg has no problem with it.

I loved that washer idea. Best player innovation I've seen in ages

2 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

I actually cannot believe you're taking the time NOW to do this again. When is enough for you? 3/top4 6/top8 are ALL two Rieekan Squadrons archetypes (Pelta and GH variants). As of now no Imperial list at all in the top8.

To be fair, where were all of these salty tears when Rebels were rarely ever seen in a Top 4 while Demo and Rhymer defined the meta? Remember how Gencon 2016 had no Rebels in the Top 4? Remember when DeMSU was sweeping 2016 Regionals? Where were the complaints then?

It's ONE event. Nothing statistically significant can be drawn from it. Besides, Reikaan will have to dominate tournaments for about another eleven months before he even starts to approach Demo levels of dominance. And Demo was never nerfed and these boards were never in consensus about the OP-ness of Demo, with many players saying it was powerful but fine. Maybe Reikaan is just powerful but fine, too.

1 minute ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

To be fair, where were all of these salty tears when Rebels were rarely ever seen in a Top 4 while Demo and Rhymer defined the meta? Remember how Gencon 2016 had no Rebels in the Top 4? Remember when DeMSU was sweeping 2016 Regionals? Where were the complaints then?

It's ONE event. Nothing statistically significant can be drawn from it. Besides, Reikaan will have to dominate tournaments for about another eleven months before he even starts to approach Demo levels of dominance. And Demo was never nerfed and these boards were never in consensus about the OP-ness of Demo, with many players saying it was powerful but fine. Maybe Reikaan is just powerful but fine, too.

That's where you went wrong: We aren't drawing statistical data from it. We're drawing strategic information about it from our logical basis in understanding mathematical efficency, basic probability and fundamental understandings of the game.

Also who knows. Are you asking me about Demo? Ok. Tell me what I said.