2 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I like flotillas too. Though, I'm agreeing with people who were suggesting we should get more flotillas very soon, as currently they're pretty shoehorned into very obvious and required roles: Activation fillers (+comms net), BCC carriers (literally happy to add them), slicer tools, squadron pushers, lifeboats. (yknow, actually thats a lot of roles, thats why they're so ubiquitous).

I definitely don't think the meta is healthy with so many squadron lists though.

Rieekan Imo shouldn't work with non-named squadrons, but that's not the primary problem. Primary problem to me is squadrons are the best damage vs everything.

My list I'm running for the Summer Vassal tourny should be an adequate counter to Rieekan.

1 minute ago, Undeadguy said:

My list I'm running for the Summer Vassal tourny should be an adequate counter to Rieekan.

stop teasing, what is it

edit: if you dont want to spoil it, send me a PM, I won,t participate in the tournament and have no reason to give your list to anyone

4 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

My list I'm running for the Summer Vassal tourny should be an adequate counter to Rieekan.

Send me a PM so I can try it against Brickhaus.

Just now, TallGiraffe said:

Send me a PM so I can try it against Brickhaus.

4 minutes ago, Sybreed said:

stop teasing, what is it

edit: if you dont want to spoil it, send me a PM, I won,t participate in the tournament and have no reason to give your list to anyone

So what about Tua on the suppressor?

I want to make a comment about top8 too.

I want to ask these questions, of the top8 lists

1. Were any under 5 activations?

2. Did any medium ships show up in any of the top8? (I guess Gallant Haven in top4 is one)

5 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

**** son you had a hell of a tournament to play those guys and do that well. Bravo sir. Rough to miss the cut by so small a margin but well played all the same.

Let me tell you...man this was (is) a great tournament. It didn't end up going my way in the end, but my games vs @Caldiasand @pt106are true memories I will always really cherish. We had brain numbing decisions but had real fun playing.

This was hands down the toughest matchups and competition I've ever hit in a tourney. I made the right call with my list (I think) I just never faced the lists it was designed for.

My last matchup was against a CR90B ET RBD Rieekan list. ****

**** that **** cause ****. ****

he owes me a beer

I can say that number 2 and 7 seed are running Rieekan aces, Gallent Haven death ball.

1 minute ago, CaribbeanNinja said:

My last matchup was against a CR90B ET RBD Rieekan list. ****

**** that **** cause ****. ****

he owes me a beer

#ErrataET

Ok, so currently known, 4 out of the possible 8 (not full data yet) are Rieekan ace lists. 1 is Ackbar. missing 3.

Just now, Undeadguy said:

#ErrataET

Poor ramming players.

Top four commanders are Rieekan Rieekan Rieekan Ackbar

Just now, Blail Blerg said:

Ok, so currently known, 4 out of the possible 8 (not full data yet) are Rieekan ace lists. 1 is Ackbar. missing 3.

Caldias (5th) is MM quad flotilla, triple MC30 with Tycho.

5 minutes ago, Blail Blerg said:

I like flotillas too. Though, I'm agreeing with people who were suggesting we should get more flotillas very soon, as currently they're pretty shoehorned into very obvious and required roles: Activation fillers (+comms net), BCC carriers (literally happy to add them), slicer tools, squadron pushers, lifeboats. (yknow, actually thats a lot of roles, thats why they're so ubiquitous).

I definitely don't think the meta is healthy with so many squadron lists though.

Rieekan Imo shouldn't work with non-named squadrons, but that's not the primary problem. Primary problem to me is squadrons are the best damage vs everything.

You pretty much nailed why I don't have much issue with flotes (mutliple roles/price point leading to their widespread use as opposed to being broken).

I think at this point, its safe to say Rieekan really needs to be looked at good and hard from a balance perspective. Maybe the threat of Sloane and the Quasar will bring him down to Earth (Hoth?) though. I look forward to a more complete picture of the fleets taken, but certainly this mirrors what many of us have seen on our tables, and I hope the devs take a good look.

Still don't think squadrons themselves are the issue. I do think we've seen a number of things come out that have greatly increased their efficacy and ease of use (ie; Rieekan, BCC's, Relay, Strategic, Flight Commander, FCT's, Boosted Comms, Flotes, certain titles that have been with us since day one but get stronger each time squadrons do) and very little tech outside of other squadrons to combat them (Flechettes on a raider. Kallus. QLTs a little? I mean, theres other stuff but its junk). Quasar's red AS die is a good step. I'm hoping that turret thing improves flak fire in some way. We'll see.

Also buff demolisher no glads top 4!

4 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

You pretty much nailed why I don't have much issue with flotes (mutliple roles/price point leading to their widespread use as opposed to being broken).

I think at this point, its safe to say Rieekan really needs to be looked at good and hard from a balance perspective. Maybe the threat of Sloane and the Quasar will bring him down to Earth (Hoth?) though. I look forward to a more complete picture of the fleets taken, but certainly this mirrors what many of us have seen on our tables, and I hope the devs take a good look.

Still don't think squadrons themselves are the issue. I do think we've seen a number of things come out that have greatly increased their efficacy and ease of use (ie; Rieekan, BCC's, Relay, Strategic, Flight Commander, FCT's, Boosted Comms, Flotes, certain titles that have been with us since day one but get stronger each time squadrons do) and very little tech outside of other squadrons to combat them (Flechettes on a raider. Kallus. QLTs a little? I mean, theres other stuff but its junk). Quasar's red AS die is a good step. I'm hoping that turret thing improves flak fire in some way. We'll see.

Also buff demolisher no glads top 4!

I've got something to say about squadrons, but I'm not gonna say it here, cuz this is starting to derail the thread into my standard squadron whine, and I ran out of hate to fuel it.

But yes, no imperials. =(.

10 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Caldias (5th) is MM quad flotilla, triple MC30 with Tycho.

Ok. 4 rieekan aces, 1 home one Ackbar-4flots, 1 mc30, 2 unknown.

you know, if FFG buffed the anti-squadron capabilities of ships by making QLT and PDR less bad, the squadron game might not be so bad or at least, there would be a counter to squadrons that is something other than squadrons (and no, FT don't count because you need 1st player for them.)

Just now, Blail Blerg said:

I've got something to say about squadrons, but I'm not gonna say it here, cuz this is starting to derail the thread into my standard squadron whine, and I ran out of hate to fuel it.

But yes, no imperials. =(.

Ok. 4 rieekan aces, 1 home one Ackbar-4flots, 1 mc30, 2 unknown.

We could discuss it by pm if u like

Just now, Sybreed said:

you know, if FFG buffed the anti-squadron capabilities of ships by making QLT and PDR less bad, the squadron game might not be so bad or at least, there would be a counter to squadrons that is something other than squadrons (and no, FT don't count because you need 1st player for them.)

lol, exactly.
Though you'll still need AA squadrons to use those upgrades effectively. And thats ok.

Just now, Blail Blerg said:

I've got something to say about squadrons, but I'm not gonna say it here, cuz this is starting to derail the thread into my standard squadron whine, and I ran out of hate to fuel it.

But yes, no imperials. =(.

Ok. 4 rieekan aces, 1 home one Ackbar-4flots, 1 mc30, 2 unknown.

you should still count the number of flotillas for the top 8 lists.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get something close to 25-30.

Tsk.... Due to the expanded objectives I have a fear that D+O won't work anymore... Before I could use my opponents objectives to make up last points but it does not look like the objective selection that people choose will allow that...

I could use my opponents Advanced Gunnery, Precision Strike against them... Most Wanted though. ..

Just now, Madaghmire said:

We could discuss it by pm if u like

Thanks for the offer. =). I'll take you up on it another time or in another public thread if you're ok with that. ^^ I'm having a fun time gloating and I'm having a good day today. Haha.

Can someone tell me again please what time the final starts?

Just now, Lord Preyer said:

Can someone tell me again please what time the final starts?

ditto. I hope someone will make a thread just to warn us of the game starting.

6 30 cst

Just now, Lord Preyer said:

Can someone tell me again please what time the final starts?

6:30 Central US time, which is GMT - 6, which I can only remember as it's an hour behind me on the East Coast with GMT - 5.