Are army troopers still canon?

Well, they are present on Endor in ROTJ, so, I hope so?

I'm not gonna hate on anything IA unless they really screw up but clone wars era is very low on my list. If I get to pick the order of the next 2-4 years of releases I think it'd look like this:

1) Endor/death Star 2 (or post-DS2) small box

2) Rogue one big/small box

3) Rebels big/small box

4) Episode 7 pt one New Core box

5) Episode 7 pt 2 small box

6) Episode 8 pt 1 Big box

And I'd be fine if these were all app driven...

7 hours ago, ellhaynes said:

We will definitely see FO storm troopers, despite the obvious similarities folk are pointing out.

Why? They're iconic, and will sell in droves. Look at how many space marines GW pumped out over the years.

It's the same issue that hits many historical miniature manufacturers. Many would love to sculpt the more unusual armies, but end up including romans, ww2 airborne, French napoleonics, simply because these are the most popular armies in those given periods.

So what other similar units do I think we might eventually see?

Rebel troopers on Scarif, despite being very similar to the sensor commandos. Again, they'd probably sell well, and there's scope for new unit cards in there.

Scout troopers in some form or other.

And of course, new versions of all the major heroes - we have Luke, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see General Solo and General Calrissian; an alternative Vader; and and possibly Leila, although I'm a little less certain on that. They'd all sell well!

I don't think they are iconic. I think they are derivative and their armor is a more boring version of the OT stormtroopers. I can't tell you they won't sell though, they probably will. I blame the films for making stormtroopers, which were supposed to be an elite military unit, into basic mooks for the hero's to knock down. Now we have a more different-er Stormtrooper that will probably go through the same arc in the next two movies.

3 minutes ago, Rikalonius said:

I don't think they are iconic. I think they are derivative and their armor is a more boring version of the OT stormtroopers. I can't tell you they won't sell though, they probably will. I blame the films for making stormtroopers, which were supposed to be an elite military unit, into basic mooks for the hero's to knock down. Now we have a more different-er Stormtrooper that will probably go through the same arc in the next two movies.

I dunno, since there weren't any stormtroopers until the films, isn't it a little weird to blame the films for "making them into" something else? Yeah some of the EU stuff might talk about them being crack troops, but in the movie they're basically just introduced as a bunch of faceless soldiers to allow the heroes of the galaxy to show how awesome they are. And isn't a bunch of heroes being heroic pretty much what Star Wars is all about?

Just now, ManateeX said:

I dunno, since there weren't any stormtroopers until the films, isn't it a little weird to blame the films for "making them into" something else? Yeah some of the EU stuff might talk about them being crack troops, but in the movie they're basically just introduced as a bunch of faceless soldiers to allow the heroes of the galaxy to show how awesome they are. And isn't a bunch of heroes being heroic pretty much what Star Wars is all about?

"These blast points... too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise." ~ Obi Wan Kenobi. By Return of the Jedi they are getting beat up by stone age homunculus furries. That being said, if I accept your premise, what makes FO Stormtroopers any better?

1 hour ago, Rikalonius said:

"These blast points... too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise." ~ Obi Wan Kenobi. By Return of the Jedi they are getting beat up by stone age homunculus furries. That being said, if I accept your premise, what makes FO Stormtroopers any better?

I get that you're using the quote to imply some deeper level of Imperial Stormtroopers = Super Troops, but all it effectively says is they're more precise than Sand People.

I think it's clear, even from ANH, that the quantities of Stormtroopers around implies they are simply well-trained imperial ground forces. Just look at how they're behaving while stationed on the DS, or even on Tattooine. These guys are the grunts in the Imperial War Machine for sure

West End covered this nicely. What made Stormtroopers special was their loyalty and fanaticism. They were above all the inter-office politics. They couldn't be bribed. They were their own branch of service with it's own funding and supply chain, completely independent of the green suited Imperial officers, if it came down to that. Their upper command was shadowy and mysterious and rumored to report directly to the emperor. In the constantly shifting, backstabbing alliances of convenience within the Empire's hierarchy, the stormtrooper units were predictably loyal to the mission goals and the cause of the Empire. That was priceless.

On 5/4/2017 at 4:46 PM, VadersMarchKazoo said:

I'm not gonna hate on anything IA unless they really screw up but clone wars era is very low on my list. If I get to pick the order of the next 2-4 years of releases I think it'd look like this:

1) Endor/death Star 2 (or post-DS2) small box

2) Rogue one big/small box

3) Rebels big/small box

4) Episode 7 pt one New Core box

5) Episode 7 pt 2 small box

6) Episode 8 pt 1 Big box

And I'd be fine if these were all app driven...

Ha. Given the release of HotE the day after I posted this....I'm totally cool with a whole series of adventures that don't tie in to any movie directly:)

A few months ago the elite Imperial Storm troopers came up. I can't remember who, but someone made a really good argument that the Storm troopers are actually intended to be the elite soldiers in the Empire. He sited that we see them with Vader at the beginning of ANH. They are the troopers sent out to find the Death Star plans even though we see other troopers that could have. They are defending the Death Star, but are not doing basic jobs like guarding prisoners. In ESB, Vader makes sure to note to Lando that he's leaving behind a battalion of Storm troopers . And in RotJ we see plenty of Navy and Army troopers, yet the emperor's best troopers are Storm troopers.

4 hours ago, Felswrath said:

They are defending the Death Star, but are not doing basic jobs like guarding prisoners.

But they are doing basic things like patrolling the DS? (I'll refer you to when Obi-Wan is turning the tractor beam off) They're not some super-duper elite trooper. They're just really well trained grunts.

Vader's 501st are the elites within the grunts

5 hours ago, Felswrath said:

A few months ago the elite Imperial Storm troopers came up. I can't remember who, but someone made a really good argument that the Storm troopers are actually intended to be the elite soldiers in the Empire. He sited that we see them with Vader at the beginning of ANH. They are the troopers sent out to find the Death Star plans even though we see other troopers that could have. They are defending the Death Star, but are not doing basic jobs like guarding prisoners. In ESB, Vader makes sure to note to Lando that he's leaving behind a battalion of Storm troopers . And in RotJ we see plenty of Navy and Army troopers, yet the emperor's best troopers are Storm troopers.

We're still waiting for our Imp. Navy / Army troopers, Felswrath! How time flies...

While I certainly agree, as I'm sure many do as well and even hope for, that a second core set would be best served based on the current trilogy, a core set or an altogether separate game based on the Clone Wars could be appealing.

You would of course have to swap roles though. The lone player controlling the Grand Army of the Republic, the nameless, faceless rank and file of the Clone Army with some named troopers (Fives, Rex, Cody, etc.) and Jedi (young Ahsoka, Anakin, youngish Obi Wan, Mace Windu, etc.) to fulfill the "villain" packs, and then the group of other players as operatives of the Sith or Separtists seeking to topple the Republic, in which case you'd then see Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, Darth Maul, Savage Oppress, Asajj Ventress, Mother, Jango, etc. as the "ally" packs.

Perhaps hopeful thinking for those misguided who enjoy, or at least tolerate, the prequel trilogy. Probably a waste of time and resources for those haughty original trilogy purists. But it could work.

10 minutes ago, DeepOneRisen said:

While I certainly agree, as I'm sure many do as well and even hope for, that a second core set would be best served based on the current trilogy, a core set or an altogether separate game based on the Clone Wars could be appealing.

You would of course have to swap roles though. The lone player controlling the Grand Army of the Republic, the nameless, faceless rank and file of the Clone Army with some named troopers (Fives, Rex, Cody, etc.) and Jedi (young Ahsoka, Anakin, youngish Obi Wan, Mace Windu, etc.) to fulfill the "villain" packs, and then the group of other players as operatives of the Sith or Separtists seeking to topple the Republic, in which case you'd then see Count Dooku, Darth Sidious, Darth Maul, Savage Oppress, Asajj Ventress, Mother, Jango, etc. as the "ally" packs.

Perhaps hopeful thinking for those misguided who enjoy, or at least tolerate, the prequel trilogy. Probably a waste of time and resources for those haughty original trilogy purists. But it could work.

See, I totally agree that for a game like Star Wars Rebellion, you'd totally have to swap roles, with the Confederacy acting as the "hiders" and the Republic as the "seekers", since that was the structure of the war at the large scale.

But for IA, I guess it could really be either side, but most likely neither. There were times when CIS leaders were outnumbered. There were times where Jedi or Clone commanders were outnumbered. But for the most part, the Clone Wars featured individual battles that were relatively even. I just don't think IA is a good fit.

Hey, people are talking about perceived skill levels of storm troopers, complete with the ewok litmus test. It must be a day that ends with Y.

Also, I'm fine with a Clone Wars box (based off the show) as it's at least better fan fiction than Rogue One or Rebels.

I don't see a Clone Wars box, if only because FFG seems to be moving away from timelines with the most recent expansions. Why release an expansion box that you can't use any of the core box materials on?

Not only that, but LFL seem to be moving away from the Clone Wars era. What's the first thing they did when they changed management? Ditch the Clone Wars series for projects that sit either end of the original trilogy. I doubt they'll want any of their franchisees to do anything that actively promotes an era they don't seem keen to develop themselves. Destiny covers all periods, but who's on the front cover? Rey and Kylo!

Clone Wars is getting a little resurgence in popularity, but I don't expect it to really come in swinging until after Episode 9. If the spinoff after Ep9 really is an Obi Wan film (particularly if it has Ewan in it), then I could see a shift to some Clonesy stuff for a few years. If that happens, we might get a Clone FFG game then.

I don't think we'll see a clone wars/prequel box or expansion(s) but anything's possible.

Things seemed to be following the OT, but HotE with Ahsoka, Maul, and the Emperor threw a wrench in that real quick!

58 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

Clone Wars is getting a little resurgence in popularity, but I don't expect it to really come in swinging until after Episode 9. If the spinoff after Ep9 really is an Obi Wan film (particularly if it has Ewan in it), then I could see a shift to some Clonesy stuff for a few years. If that happens, we might get a Clone FFG game then.

Woah, has there been discussions about an Obi Wan film with Ewan in it???? Sign me up! He was one of the few redeeming things about the prequel films.

Lets have Gareth Edwards direct it and call it a day.

4 minutes ago, totalnoob said:

Woah, has there been discussions about an Obi Wan film with Ewan in it???? Sign me up! He was one of the few redeeming things about the prequel films.

Lets have Gareth Edwards direct it and call it a day.

Rumors, but Ewan said he'd be on board if given the chance.

They may announce the subject of the third spinoff as early as this summer, but the rumors right now are that it's either gonna be Fett or Kenobi. I'm hoping Fett will be more of a side story in the Solo film, but I'd totally be down for a Ewan Kenobi again.

1 hour ago, subtrendy2 said:

Rumors, but Ewan said he'd be on board if given the chance.

They may announce the subject of the third spinoff as early as this summer, but the rumors right now are that it's either gonna be Fett or Kenobi. I'm hoping Fett will be more of a side story in the Solo film, but I'd totally be down for a Ewan Kenobi again.

My vote is for Kenobi movie that explains how Rey is his granddaughter , then Fett live action Netflix show (2-3 seasons max).

And just cause the thread title: I'll say no I don't expect a clone wars box.

On 2017-05-26 at 4:24 PM, qwertyuiop said:

Hey, people are talking about perceived skill levels of storm troopers, complete with the ewok litmus test. It must be a day that ends with Y.

Also, I'm fine with a Clone Wars box (based off the show) as it's at least better fan fiction than Rogue One or Rebels.

Rogue One certainly lowered the Storm Trooper quality. Guys with sticks and random droids were completely mopping the floor with them. It was like stomping an ant colony.

Also it well and truly cemented the fact that wearing that armor made you much more vulnerable to blaster fire as again someone survived getting hit without the armor, but everyone in it was killed or at least knocked down and out.

I think the Clone Wars Era stuff would be much better suited to a Rebellion style boardgame than Imperial Assault.

But that's just my 2 cents.

If FFG does'nt do a Rogue One box or blisters with the characters, I'll be very disappointed. That movie was a Imperial Assault campaign. I don't know what they waiting for, it technically takes place during the OT, so I don't see the issue.