Question, if I plan to run Hawthorne as a unit, Kari as an unit upgrade, and only one block of spearman. I would have no use for any of the command pack unit upgrades, correct? You can only use one upgrade of each type available to a block of unit

How to deal with Lord Hawthrone if he has Shield of Margath and Might of Daqan?

Is suicide to try a melee atack on him but ranged atacks are often weaker

To be more precise, it is not "one upgrade of each type available", but "one upgrade per icon", as explained on page 3 of Rules Reference: "For each icon shown in an entry, a unit with the corresponding configuration can equip one upgrade card that has a matching icon."

So in theory, we could see in the future new units that can equip more than one upgrade of the same type.

Just now, Xargonaut said:

To be more precise, it is not "one upgrade of each type available", but "one upgrade per icon", as explained on page 3 of Rules Reference: "For each icon shown in an entry, a unit with the corresponding configuration can equip one upgrade card that has a matching icon."

So in theory, we could see in the future new units that can equip more than one upgrade of the same type.

To be more precise, it is not "one upgrade of each type available", but "one upgrade per icon", as explained on page 3 of Rules Reference: "For each icon shown in an entry, a unit with the corresponding configuration can equip one upgrade card that has a matching icon."

So in theory, we could see in the future new units that can equip more than one upgrade of the same type.

3 minutes ago, Xargonaut said:

To be more precise, it is not "one upgrade of each type available", but "one upgrade per icon", as explained on page 3 of Rules Reference: "For each icon shown in an entry, a unit with the corresponding configuration can equip one upgrade card that has a matching icon."

So in theory, we could see in the future new units that can equip more than one upgrade of the same type.

That is a very important distinction.

We have seen a lot of units with double upgrades if the same type in xwing and armada, so I would assume we will see it here sooner rather than later.

11 minutes ago, Xargonaut said:

To be more precise, it is not "one upgrade of each type available", but "one upgrade per icon", as explained on page 3 of Rules Reference: "For each icon shown in an entry, a unit with the corresponding configuration can equip one upgrade card that has a matching icon."

So in theory, we could see in the future new units that can equip more than one upgrade of the same type.

Does this mean I can have four front line rune golems then? Or four flags? That's an odd rules choice

1 minute ago, Taki said:

Does this mean I can have four front line rune golems then? Or four flags? That's an odd rules choice

Not at all, not with the currently existing units, because none of them shows more than one upgrade icon of a given type on the back of their unit card (for a given tray configuration). All I'm saying is that rules allow the eventual creation of units that could take more than one upgrade of the same type.

Oh ok, that's how I thought it worked

32 minutes ago, Xargonaut said:

To be more precise, it is not "one upgrade of each type available", but "one upgrade per icon", as explained on page 3 of Rules Reference: "For each icon shown in an entry, a unit with the corresponding configuration can equip one upgrade card that has a matching icon."

So in theory, we could see in the future new units that can equip more than one upgrade of the same type.

We've kind of already seen that with Maegan. She allows an additional figure upgrade to be equipped to units that can already take one as long as that upgrade has Sorceress in the name.

41 minutes ago, noteclado said:

How to deal with Lord Hawthrone if he has Shield of Margath and Might of Daqan?

Is suicide to try a melee atack on him but ranged atacks are often weaker

You send a cheap unit his way that is capable of boosting it's defenses or that just won't matter if it dies. Blight Tokens ftw anyways. The game goes over 8 rounds with some luck you can stall him for 3-4 Rounds for pocketchange.

1 hour ago, Ywingscum said:

Question, if I plan to run Hawthorne as a unit, Kari as an unit upgrade, and only one block of spearman. I would have no use for any of the command pack unit upgrades, correct? You can only use one upgrade of each type available to a block of unit

Some of the infantry upgrades use the banner or the music icon.

16 minutes ago, rowdyoctopus said:

Some of the infantry upgrades use the banner or the music icon.

Ty I forgot about that!

4 hours ago, Daverman said:

So if Hawthorne were to attack a unit, eliminate a tray, close in and then find himself engaged with another unit... can he attack again? I've looked over the rules and I'm not sure exactly when closing in happens as far as the attack step is concerned. If it's after the attack step I'd say he can't attack the new target. Trays are removed in step 10 but the attack rules don't specify closing in.

Closing In triggers whenever two unit that were engaged are no longer touching due to a tray being removed. Based on that I'd say that it happens during the attack. If the trays are removed due to damage from an attack you'd actually Close In before hitting the part of the attack where you spend morale results and panic tokens.

"If two units are engaged and a game effect removes one or more
trays from one of those units such that those units are no longer
engaged, the unit that did not have any trays removed may close in."

Oh wow. Thanks to Tabletop Admiral List builder I just realised that Shield of Margath is a Neutral upgrade.

Looks like I'll be buying Lord Hawthorne to kit out my Ardus.

At least the new terrain and objectives will sweeten the deal...

18 hours ago, maxam said:

Oh wow. Thanks to Tabletop Admiral List builder I just realised that Shield of Margath is a Neutral upgrade.

Looks like I'll be buying Lord Hawthorne to kit out my Ardus.

At least the new terrain and objectives will sweeten the deal...

You shouldn't have too. That card should come somewhere in the undead expansions

5 hours ago, Klaxas said:

You shouldn't have too. That card should come somewhere in the undead expansions

It's very possible it could be in that necromancer hero pack. Or there's some other, great upgrade that Daqan players will want.

25 minutes ago, Kubernes said:

It's very possible it could be in that necromancer hero pack. Or there's some other, great upgrade that Daqan players will want.

FFG has stated all neutral upgrades will be available to all factions units. however there may be a delay between waves. its a moot point for me as I will likely be collecting everything.

Anyone else getting the impression that Human heroes are more powerful in combat for their points than undead. That the undead in return get better list building benefits for their heroes?

The more I think about Hawthorne, the less exciting his listbuilding ability seems. I can usually guarantee getting the two pieces of terrain that don't allow large formations near each other. Close enough that those 4-wide cavalry or spearmen people want to bring won't be able to maneuver effectively.

25 minutes ago, Church14 said:

Anyone else getting the impression that Human heroes are more powerful in combat for their points than undead. That the undead in return get better list building benefits for their heroes?

The more I think about Hawthorne, the less exciting his listbuilding ability seems. I can usually guarantee getting the two pieces of terrain that don't allow large formations near each other. Close enough that those 4-wide cavalry or spearmen people want to bring won't be able to maneuver effectively.

He re-arranges the trays AFTER deployment, when terrain is already placed.

Having wheeled the 4x3 of reanimates around a few times, it's not that bad.

Sure, wide formations will always be tricky, but that's the tradeoff for getting four threat.

1 hour ago, Tvayumat said:

He re-arranges the trays AFTER deployment, when terrain is already placed.

Having wheeled the 4x3 of reanimates around a few times, it's not that bad.

Sure, wide formations will always be tricky, but that's the tradeoff for getting four threat.

It looks like you reconfigure before setup. That seems a little jacked up since the first step in setup is "Build Armies". Hawthorne's army building rule is going to require some clarification. Using the rules as written you are already passed the point where you can reconfigure by the time that Hawthorne is even in your Army.

It seems like it makes sense to have the reconfigure take place before either step 4 "Choose Deployment and Objective" or before step 7 "Deploy Units". Having him trigger right before deployment probably makes the most sense if FFG wants his ability to be useful.

im sure the intent is before you place any of your forces, reconfigure their formation.

I imagine if we dig enough we'd find a timing step that fits with the wording on the card, but the rules of this game are so all over the place i really dont feel like doing that lol. Only thing i can say for sure is it doesnt reform them after you have placed everything, because that is DEFINITELY not "before setup"

Whoops. Misread that ability.

Hurry up and give me Ankaur Maro already!

19 minutes ago, Tvayumat said:

Hurry up and give me Ankaur Maro already!

SECONDED!!!!