10 minutes ago, Silver Crane said:

Right promos that are possibly OP. Promos that not everyone may be able to obtain. Contrast that with alternate art cards or accessories that don't grant a competitive advantage. Imho I think this is the better route to take.

FFG has, in the past, not done promos like this. Official Prize support was always some form of bling, not substance (Alt-art cards, Fancier tokens, Boxes, playmats, and such). Some of the alt-art cards were quite limited and resell well, but it was often a reprint of a staple or iconic card in the core set.

11 minutes ago, Silver Crane said:

Right promos that are possibly OP. Promos that not everyone may be able to obtain. Contrast that with alternate art cards or accessories that don't grant a competitive advantage. Imho I think this is the better route to take.

If you followed L5R to the end you maybe noticed that since Ivory Edition they decided to follow this route, i mean, all promos were alternate art only.

Personally i liked exclusive tournament Promos, because it motivated TOURNAMENT scene to play in TOURNAMENTS. Anyway, all of them were sold later in Christmas Packs.

40 minutes ago, kempy said:

If you followed L5R to the end you maybe noticed that since Ivory Edition they decided to follow this route, i mean, all promos were alternate art only.

Personally i liked exclusive tournament Promos, because it motivated TOURNAMENT scene to play in TOURNAMENTS. Anyway, all of them were sold later in Christmas Packs.

I prefer the alt-art cards, personally. One of the draws of an LCG is that people who buy in are all on equal footing. Promos would either be potent, in which case you're giving an advantage to a specific group of people; or impotent, in which case people won't really care about them. I'd say something that is exclusive from a collector standpoint but not exclusive from a gameplay standpoint would be better.

Yeah I really hate prize support for LCGs as well. Why do I care that I get a card that I already have? Or get tokens that I get when I purchase the core set? None of that is appealing to me and I will happily just sell off whatever I win... because I already have it! Why some people love having more cards that they already have is beyond me, but to each their own, I s'pose.

If I were to go to weekly tournaments, I'd much rather get store credit based on performance than stupid trinkets that I care nothing for. At least, if I get store credit, I may be able to play L5R LCG for free!

5 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

Yeah I really hate prize support for LCGs as well. Why do I care that I get a card that I already have? Or get tokens that I get when I purchase the core set?

They are still the spoils of war, so to speak. You came, you saw, you conquered! And now you get things. But as others have pointed out, it's stuff that's exclusive to the victor, without upsetting the overall balance of the game like game-breaking promos would/could/have. Now, I also support store credit, but that's up to the individual store, not FFG. But think about it this way: blue ribbons and gold medals are useless trinkets, but they still mean you won. You show up to any tournament with those full-bleed cards or gorgeous play mats or fancy not-out-of-the-box-cardboard tokens, and people will know you did something cool.

20 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

Yeah I really hate prize support for LCGs as well. Why do I care that I get a card that I already have? Or get tokens that I get when I purchase the core set? None of that is appealing to me and I will happily just sell off whatever I win... because I already have it! Why some people love having more cards that they already have is beyond me, but to each their own, I s'pose.

Some promos are copies of useful cards that would allow you to have more than one really solid deck built at a time.

15 minutes ago, twinstarbmc said:

You show up to any tournament with those full-bleed cards or gorgeous play mats or fancy not-out-of-the-box-cardboard tokens, and people will know you did something cool.

Or bought something cool from eBay.

I've never cared about prizes personally. I just love tournaments for the experience.

18 minutes ago, slowreflex said:

Or bought something cool from eBay.

I've never cared about prizes personally. I just love tournaments for the experience.

Or got them as a participation prize, or made them yourself. However, it does let you customize your experience.

PS, At least FFG puts the text on the fullbleed cards.

51 minutes ago, Mirith said:

PS, At least FFG puts the text on the fullbleed cards.

PS. I know, EE FB Strongholds/Rings were textless, but...

Just now, kempy said:

PS. I know, EE FB Strongholds/Rings were textless, but...

The worst one was the stupid Clan Champion Full-Bleeds.

I did like when they did the text box fading in Coils of Madness. I thought some of those were attractive (And some of those were just terrible choices, but the fading was good!)

Anyway what's oldest LCG fullbleed card?

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About textless Strongholds, i just kept them in clear sleeve with original one. If someone's had problem with them, i just flipped up.

34 minutes ago, kempy said:

Anyway what's oldest LCG fullbleed card?

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About textless Strongholds, i just kept them in clear sleeve with original one. If someone's had problem with them, i just flipped up.

Ditto.

5 minutes ago, Mirith said:

Ditto.

Oh man, I left the game before they started doing this full-bleed-no-text crap. They DID that?? Geez. At that point, who needs a title, or numbers?

1 minute ago, twinstarbmc said:

Oh man, I left the game before they started doing this full-bleed-no-text crap. They DID that?? Geez. At that point, who needs a title, or numbers?

They were promos that you got from trading in trash cards that came in packs. However, I actually rather liked the strongholds, so I used mine to get them. The annoying ones were the Rings and Clan Champions, since you had to carry around extra copies with you so that someone could read them in a tourney.

2 hours ago, Sparks Duh said:

Yeah I really hate prize support for LCGs as well. Why do I care that I get a card that I already have? Or get tokens that I get when I purchase the core set? None of that is appealing to me and I will happily just sell off whatever I win... because I already have it! Why some people love having more cards that they already have is beyond me, but to each their own, I s'pose.

If I were to go to weekly tournaments, I'd much rather get store credit based on performance than stupid trinkets that I care nothing for. At least, if I get store credit, I may be able to play L5R LCG for free!

To be fair your could potentially buy one core set, borrow cards from a friend to finish out your tournament deck, then win the promo copies of the cards you would then use in future decks so you wouldn't have to borrow or buy more. I prefer store credit too but I wouldn't mind having extra copies of cards as it allows me to make more decks. At the very least it makes deck building easier as you don't have to disassemble and reassemble decks.

7 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

To be fair your could potentially buy one core set, borrow cards from a friend to finish out your tournament deck, then win the promo copies of the cards you would then use in future decks so you wouldn't have to borrow or buy more. I prefer store credit too but I wouldn't mind having extra copies of cards as it allows me to make more decks. At the very least it makes deck building easier as you don't have to disassemble and reassemble decks.

They don't tend to release cards fast enough to support this. I feel like it was maybe 2-3 fullbleed cards per month?

26 minutes ago, twinstarbmc said:

Oh man, I left the game before they started doing this full-bleed-no-text crap. They DID that?? Geez. At that point, who needs a title, or numbers?

WotC did start such thing in 2005.

And as Mirith said, those were just promos, alt versions of standard starter cards.

Just now, kempy said:

WotC did start such thing in 2005.

And as Mirith said, those were just promos, alt versions of standard starter cards.

Yeah, I get it, but the no-text thing bothers me on a deep, fundamental level.

I agree with Sparks that I will spend more money on the LCG than the CCG, but not because I won my cards! I probably used 60% printout proxies and borrowed what I needed for the Koteis (such a great community!). We were even allowed to use proxies at a Kotei one year . . . But that was actually pretty lame.

2 minutes ago, The Laughing Monk said:

I agree with Sparks that I will spend more money on the LCG than the CCG, but not because I won my cards! I probably used 60% printout proxies and borrowed what I needed for the Koteis (such a great community!). We were even allowed to use proxies at a Kotei one year . . . But that was actually pretty lame.

These cards will be far too beautiful to proxy anyway.

2 minutes ago, The Laughing Monk said:

I agree with Sparks that I will spend more money on the LCG than the CCG, but not because I won my cards! I probably used 60% printout proxies and borrowed what I needed for the Koteis (such a great community!). We were even allowed to use proxies at a Kotei one year . . . But that was actually pretty lame.

That was because AEG or their Printers messed up.

48 minutes ago, Mirith said:

They don't tend to release cards fast enough to support this. I feel like it was maybe 2-3 fullbleed cards per month?

Point taken, however, L5R players are fairly generous and depending on what your playroup has and which promos are released first.....it's possible. Maybe not probable, but, possible none the less. Personally I expect a lot of set sharing for organized play to start since the demand will be high and unfortunately the general vibe of the FLGS is somewhat skeptical. This is largely due to their past experience with AEG. Stores that carry lots of FFG seem mixed in being excited and worried about carrying so many competing games that aren't MTG.

Sharing and earning promos to fill out or trade/sell for more product might not be as far fetched as it sounds. Although I tend to trust Mr. Horvath's word and when he says it will be the biggest launch they've had im hopeful and fairly confident that the players who want to get playsets of each card will be able to do so. If there is any lack in availability I would bet is was due to the FLGS lack of support and not FFG lack of supply.

6 minutes ago, Ishi Tonu said:

Point taken, however, L5R players are fairly generous and depending on what your playroup has and which promos are released first.....it's possible. Maybe not probable, but, possible none the less. Personally I expect a lot of set sharing for organized play to start since the demand will be high and unfortunately the general vibe of the FLGS is somewhat skeptical. This is largely due to their past experience with AEG. Stores that carry lots of FFG seem mixed in being excited and worried about carrying so many competing games that aren't MTG.

Sharing and earning promos to fill out or trade/sell for more product might not be as far fetched as it sounds. Although I tend to trust Mr. Horvath's word and when he says it will be the biggest launch they've had im hopeful and fairly confident that the players who want to get playsets of each card will be able to do so. If there is any lack in availability I would bet is was due to the FLGS lack of support and not FFG lack of supply.

I'm hoping everyone that wants a Core can get one as well. What I'm less convinced of is that everyone that wants 3 Cores can get 3 Cores.

Definitely calling my store to let them know I'll be wanting a few copies when it is released to the masses!

5 minutes ago, slowreflex said:

I'm hoping everyone that wants a Core can get one as well. What I'm less convinced of is that everyone that wants 3 Cores can get 3 Cores.

Agreed. I just hope that if people are a having a hard time getting 3 core sets in day one they don't immediately start blaming FFG. Some of the stores that dealt with the various problems caused by AEG has hurt the L5R brand. 5 of the 7 stores near my work or home are already adopting a "wait and see" approach. Which is pretty much a no. I've got at least one store that is all in and another that is moderately interested. This is in addition to the bigger game stores that I just assume will carry it because they already stick a ton of FFG products. If I can manage the cash i may just start stockpiling core sets and redistributing them to the L5R starved masses.