Darth Vader fix

By RufusDaMan, in X-Wing

2 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

I mean... how do you modify your dice except by specific exceptions, in that instance?

Your proposed rewording of out of arc attacks appears to do... nothing...

You can't use your focus token.

Modify dice and reroll dice are two differents things.

1 minute ago, Wedge Nantillais said:

You can't use your focus token.

Modify dice and reroll dice are two differents things.

No, they're not.

Per the rules modifying dice is:

- Rerolling

- Changing results

- Adding results

Those three things are the definition of 'modifying dice' in x-wing.

Sorry, trad mistake. English isn't my native language. ;)

"When you attack outside your primary firing arc, you can't change your attack dice."

Better ?

Edited by Wedge Nantillais
5 minutes ago, Wedge Nantillais said:

Sorry, trad mistake. English isn't my native language. ;)

"When you attack outside your primary firing arc, you can't change your attack dice."

Better ?

Maybe have it worded the reverse of unguided rockets

"when attacking outside your primary firing arc, you cannot spend focus tokens"

Is that what you're trying to achieve?

The wording you suggest is simply better. :lol: Thanks ! Sorry for this unvoluntary trolling...

Edited by Wedge Nantillais
On 02/05/2017 at 4:05 PM, RufusDaMan said:

I think this will bring everyone's favorite daddy back in the game, and it is also lore friendly, since Vader did modify his ship quite a bit. What you guys think?

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Why not have it taking up the missile slot like the Chardaan Refit? This saves on complex word play regarding titles and maybe even a negative point cost :) (but not -2 like Chardaan!). Then I'd word the main text to match the Royal Guard TIE "You may equip up to 2 different Modification upgrades (instead of 1).". A s previously mentioned it could also only say "TIE Advanced x1 only" for the restriction.

On 5/2/2017 at 11:32 AM, Stay On The Leader said:

That's dangerous way of doing things, and precisely what the points cost system is there to avoid happening. Make a pilot too good just because he does cool stuff in the film (and TBH his entire pilot career as Darth Vader involves him flying in a straight line shooting things that are directly in front of him and sometimes missing) and it's going to be all you see on the table.

Straight Shooter (Vader only EPT)

During an attack following performing a straight maneuver, you can roll as many attack dice as the speed of the maneuver. If the target ship is hit it is destroyed unless Target ship has Integrated Astromech and an Astromech upgrade to discard. That ship must then discard its Astromech upgrade.

flavorful enuff?

It would be interesting if there was an Advanced only upgrade of some sort that prevented multiple shots from one ship per round. A counter if you will mainly to TLT and also to Quickdraw, Dengar etc. Vader especially and any PTL Advance can dodge/turtle up pretty good against one single big shot or a few small ones but it sort of crumbles against a bigger flurry of shots.

The advance is pretty close to strong but is missing a little something and I would go for some sort of defense boost if I were to help it out.

On 2.5.2017 at 5:05 PM, RufusDaMan said:

I think this will bring everyone's favorite daddy back in the game, and it is also lore friendly, since Vader did modify his ship quite a bit. What you guys think?

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1 Like for the artwork ^^

It is thinkable that Vaders Fighter had a few extras, the other prototypes had not. Good idea here.

Lets make Vater brutal again!

On 5/2/2017 at 11:28 AM, Stay On The Leader said:

Vader's one of the clearest examples of power creep - they buffed him up to be good enough and it literally lasted like 6 months.

TBH I think he's not that far off the curve. If you don't put Engine Upgrade on him then 33pts of Vader with Predator is relatively comparable to 33pts of Backdraft. Just in the final analysis you get a little bit more from Backdraft, but it's closer than you'd first think.

  • Darth Vader - Predator, Advanced Targeting Computer (33)
  • Backdraft - Veteran Instincts, Lightweight Frame, Primed Thrusters, Fire Control System (33)

Both PS9, both barrel roll but can't boost, both have action economy (Predator vs FCS), both have automatic crits being added, Vader has one less hull but double actions to stack Evade tokens... it's not light years different. Yet Backdraft is considered good and Vader considered bad - the difference can't be much more than a point or two.

Backdraft also has an aux arc. That's why he is so good.

Didnt FFG announce the new Vader fix???

oops wrong game

Edited by SnoopSnoopaloop

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I thought this was real at first and was looking for the card. HA! I played Vader today and thought he was VERY weak. Figured he'd roll more than two attack dice!!!

So while I don't really think Vader needs a fix I really like the idea of him giving up an action for a second attack. It could be done through a condition or a lasting effect, probably using the missile slot or EPT but exclusive to his ship or to Darth Vader.

Cost maybe 2-3pts.

You know who needs a fix WAY more than Darth Vader? Luke. At least Vader is still decent with ATC. Luke has never, ever been any good.

On 5/7/2017 at 10:57 AM, SnoopSnoopaloop said:

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I can't read this without wanting to put a low hung bandana on him and call it "controlled by hatred" ?

Agreed on Luke sucking and needing love more than Vader as well as any Vader upgrade using the missle slot, Sith don't need any stinking missles. If a blaster offends them in personal combat a missle must be equally distasteful in ships.