Just now, WAC47 said:These three videos have been an absolute master class in using terrain to your advantage. Incredible.
He uses the SAME rock placement each game. If any of these opponents had the luxury of watching one prior to playing him they MAY stand a chance -- I doubt it, though
About 95% sure James Matchett is running Dash/Miranda.
1 minute ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:He uses the SAME rock placement each game. If any of these opponents had the luxury of watching one prior to playing him they MAY stand a chance -- I doubt it, though
I think this attanis lists might wreck him if they knew, he even lost to one of them. People are not prepared to his opening and playing always the same. I dont even think nand has had the need to fly to the left side, always the lone flanker on his right side to turn for the opening.
Props to him tho for finding such a plan against those list with that well known opening.
Just now, cdr said:I think this attanis lists might wreck him if they knew, he even lost to one of them. People are not prepared to his opening and playing always the same. I dont even think nand has had the need to fly to the left side, always the lone flanker on his right side to turn for the opening.
Props to him tho for finding such a plan against those list with that well known opening.
If you're right, more reason to nerf Attani. It should not be immune to EVERYTHING, especially its own counter.
2 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:He uses the SAME rock placement each game. If any of these opponents had the luxury of watching one prior to playing him they MAY stand a chance -- I doubt it, though
Pretty much the exact same 3-4 opening moves too. Nand is in such a good position because he basically doesn't have to think about almost half of each of his games.
The attani list that beat him didn't have a jumpmaster though (I missed a lot of that one but it sounded incredibly close). I think his plan is particularly effective against Protectorates and Jumpmaster lists.
6 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:Nand is showing us why at the end of the day, net listing cannot compensate for expert piloting.
He's still using two other broken pilots in Biggs and Miranda. It's a bit like saying that replacing the Jumpmaster by Palob in Attani was an amazing move.
Dont get me wrong, i watched his video and he is an amazing player that's 100% sure. But he is not playing that much of a different built than what's been successful for rebels for months now.
I guess I'm just annoyed at the prevalence of Attani. I am going to be livid when I see the List Juggler data of archetypes that showed up to Worlds, i.e. 80% Attani.
Just now, WAC47 said:Pretty much the exact same 3-4 opening moves too. Nand is in such a good position because he basically doesn't have to think about almost half of each of his games.
The attani list that beat him didn't have a jumpmaster though (I missed a lot of that one but it sounded incredibly close). I think his plan is particularly effective against Protectorates and Jumpmaster lists.
It was exactly the same but with assaj in the position of manaroo from those games. The difference was that assaj went out of there with 3 hull and fenn rau didnt die because the player didnt get so close at the first engage to get autoblastered if i remember correctly.
2 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:If you're right, more reason to nerf Attani. It should not be immune to EVERYTHING, especially its own counter.
Yes i think attani looks a bit too strong, almost every scum list is pretty much 3ships Attani
56 minutes ago, scottkthompson said:I got most of them, does anyone know the ships that go with the rest of the top 16?
01 Nick Belle - Asajj/Palob/Fenn
02 Nand Torfs - Miranda/Biggs/Jess Pava
03 Mishary Alfaris - Asajj/Fenn/Contracted Scout
04 Marcel Manzano - Triple Contracted Scout
05 Wayde Stover -
06 Gerry Russell Biggs/RexPava/Braylen
07 Andrew Bunn - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
08 Travis Cooper -
09 Duncan Howard - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
10 Kevin Leintz - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
11 Travis Johnson -
12 Justin Phua -
13 James Matchett - Dash/Miranda
14 Tyler Tippett - Rear Admireal Chiraneau/Whisper
15 Kyle Lehmbecker - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
16 Jaren Foss - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Asajj
Come on guys, only 4 left!
3 minutes ago, cdr said:It was exactly the same but with assaj in the position of manaroo from those games. The difference was that assaj went out of there with 3 hull and fenn rau didnt die because the player didnt get so close at the first engage to get autoblastered if i remember correctly.
Yes i think attani looks a bit too strong, almost every scum list is pretty much 3ships Attani
Even without Attani, Scums would still dominate. Asajj + 2 TLT Ywing is super strong but doesnt have mindlink...
1 hour ago, MajorJuggler said:Can someone grab the full standings? Not just the first page, but all the way down to 128 for Day 2...
58 minutes ago, scottkthompson said:I got most of them, does anyone know the ships that go with the rest of the top 16?
01 Nick Belle - Asajj/Palob/Fenn
02 Nand Torfs - Miranda/Biggs/Jess Pava
03 Mishary Alfaris - Asajj/Fenn/Contracted Scout
04 Marcel Manzano - Triple Contracted Scout
05 Wayde Stover -
06 Gerry Russell Biggs/RexPava/Braylen
07 Andrew Bunn - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
08 Travis Cooper -
09 Duncan Howard - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
10 Kevin Leintz - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
11 Travis Johnson -
12 Justin Phua -
13 James Matchett - Dash/Miranda
14 Tyler Tippett - Rear Admireal Chiraneau/Whisper
15 Kyle Lehmbecker - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
16 Jaren Foss - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Asajj
thats a lot of jumpity jumpmasters
Travis Cooper is flying some variation of Paratanni, probably the original
from the stream chat:
Next up Gerry Russell, Texas, USA VS Mishary Alfaris, Kuwait
So at least 2 of the Rebels made top 8 (Nand and Gerry). Not sure if the third Rebel list (Miranda/Dash) survived.
Stover, Johnson, Phua are the only lists we still don't know.
Just now, scottkthompson said:Stover, Johnson, Phua are the only lists we still don't know.
But we do know they're scum.
Just now, scottkthompson said:But we do know they're scum.
which means we can assume attanni
Correct.
14 minutes ago, Rinzler in a Tie said:I guess I'm just annoyed at the prevalence of Attani. I am going to be livid when I see the List Juggler data of archetypes that showed up to Worlds, i.e. 80% Attani.
My guesses with little to no math, haha...or 64% Scum-Attani, 6% Scum non-Attani, 24% Rebel Biggs/Regen, 6% Imperial old-school.
super un-balanced top 16
I am Tommy Adams.
I had:
Tel with Predator, Gonk, R5-P8, Punishing One, Hull Upgrade, Rigged Cargo Chute
Bossk with Crackshot, Mangler Cannon, 4Lom, Dengar, Boba, Inertial Dampeners
29 minutes ago, Thormind said:Even without Attani, Scums would still dominate. Asajj + 2 TLT Ywing is super strong but doesnt have mindlink...
Strong, but not dominating I think. And clearly weaker than mindlink since mindlink is all over the top tables
according to the stream Justin Phua is flying Dengar/Tel and is now facing tripple scout... that will be a very diverse match ^^
Edited by Reaver02740 minutes ago, Thormind said:He's still using two other broken pilots in Biggs and Miranda. It's a bit like saying that replacing the Jumpmaster by Palob in Attani was an amazing move.
Dont get me wrong, i watched his video and he is an amazing player that's 100% sure. But he is not playing that much of a different built than what's been successful for rebels for months now.
AB Miranda isn't common at all.
1 hour ago, scottkthompson said:I got most of them, does anyone know the ships that go with the rest of the top 16?
01 Nick Belle - Asajj/Palob/Fenn
02 Nand Torfs - Miranda/Biggs/Jess Pava
03 Mishary Alfaris - Asajj/Fenn/Contracted Scout
04 Marcel Manzano - Triple Contracted Scout
05 Wayde Stover -
06 Gerry Russell Biggs/Rex/Pava/Braylen
07 Andrew Bunn - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
08 Travis Cooper - Asajj/Fenn/Manaroo
09 Duncan Howard - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
10 Kevin Leintz - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
11 Travis Johnson -
12 Justin Phua - Dengar/Tel
13 James Matchett - Dash/Miranda
14 Tyler Tippett - Rear Admireal Chiraneau/Whisper
15 Kyle Lehmbecker - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Manaroo
16 Jaren Foss - Old Teroch/Fenn Rau/Asajj
Two left. Let's go detectives!