1 hour ago, Maturin said:

Rieekan - I hope you never need all your ships to benefit from his ability.

This raises a question: If the last rebel ship on the table is killed but remains on the table due to Rieekan, and then activates and kills the last ship of the opponent's, does the rebel player win?

1 hour ago, SmogLord said:

So...if Leia stacks with banked tokens...

I could run a double pickle list with engineering teams on both MC80s and a flotilla or two running Comms Net to feed them tokens and get 11 repair each turn on each MC80? (Base 4 + 1 for engineering team makes for base 5, +3 for Leia's token effect and +3 more for a banked token).

If that is legal I could maybe see her being worth 38 points.

I think engineering team only adds 1 point, it doesn't increase your base, so it would be 9: Base 4 + token 2 + Leia 2 + ET 1.

1 minute ago, NobodyInParticular said:

This raises a question: If the last rebel ship on the table is killed but remains on the table due to Rieekan, and then activates and kills the last ship of the opponent's, does the rebel player win?

Not necessarily.

In stated Scenario - The Second Player wins, but the MOV is 0.

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

Not necessarily.

In stated Scenario - The Second Player wins, but the MOV is 0.

Ah so Rieekan's Zombie is treated as destroyed and standard tie rules apply?

Thanks for the quick response!

Just now, NobodyInParticular said:

Ah so Rieekan's Zombie is treated as destroyed and standard tie rules apply?

Thanks for the quick response!

Yep. In a tournament game, the game doesn't end immediately , it ends at the End of the Round.

The Round doesn't end until the Rieekan Ship has been removed at the Start of the End Status Phase.

So at the end of the Round, both sides have had all of their Ships destroyed, so that statement kicks in.

The double command token thing seems pretty open and shut to me.

RRG pg 3 COMMAND TOKENS said:

• A ship can spend both a command dial and a command token to combine their effects.

I haven't seen a single rebuttal to this that wasn't the old tried-and-never-true "well, FFG didn't read their own rules when writing that card."

4 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

The double command token thing seems pretty open and shut to me.

I haven't seen a single rebuttal to this that wasn't the old tried-and-never-true "well, FFG didn't read their own rules when writing that card."

The only one I've seen is the oft-quoted-incorrectly Golden Rules

"Effects on components such as cards sometimes contradict rules found in the Learn to Play or Rules Reference booklets. In these situations, the component’s effect takes precedence."

6 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

The double command token thing seems pretty open and shut to me.

I haven't seen a single rebuttal to this that wasn't the old tried-and-never-true "well, FFG didn't read their own rules when writing that card."

Technically you didn't spend anything you are just treating the dial as if you did.

If something happens as if I did it, did I really do it? What then happens if I really did it?

1 minute ago, Lyraeus said:

Technically you didn't spend anything you are just treating the dial as if you did.

If something happens as if I did it, did I really do it? What then happens if I really did it?

In every other case I know of that uses "as if," it has been ruled "as if" it happened for all purposes. Jaina's Light trumping every "treat as if obstructed" effect, specifically. I don't see this being any different.

I could be wrong. I also never pretend to know intent, because not-infrequently, intent is fluid anyway. But them's the rules and precedents.

I think Leia will be grossly powerful if you get to double token with her. I think Salvation, Yavaris, Liberty, will all break. But that's just my intuition, I haven't tried her yet.

1 hour ago, Maturin said:

I'm planning on using Leia turn one. Absolutely. If nothing else, I start at speed 2 and make my opponent wonder if I'm going to speed 0, or to speed 4, on my activation. That's pure psychological gold, and I'm going to capitalize on it with my deployment (I hope). Garm can do the same thing...but you're not taking Garm on anything that can go speed 4. (Just wish I had more cr90's in my list to capitalize on this!)

I do take your point about the opportunity cost for using Leia...but since I forget to use the tokens I have half the time, I figure I might as well not bother with any, and still get the benefit! Win win for me.

for better players, maybe not as much.

You and I are both thinking alike. That flexibility is gold.

31 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

In every other case I know of that uses "as if," it has been ruled "as if" it happened for all purposes. Jaina's Light trumping every "treat as if obstructed" effect, specifically. I don't see this being any different.

I could be wrong. I also never pretend to know intent, because not-infrequently, intent is fluid anyway. But them's the rules and precedents.

I think Leia will be grossly powerful if you get to double token with her. I think Salvation, Yavaris, Liberty, will all break. But that's just my intuition, I haven't tried her yet.

Not sure or Salvation breaks, an additional reroll is good but not amazing, especially not on a 3 in 8 chance for double damage.

The Liberty is another one that perplexes me. How does that get broken?

2 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

The Liberty is another one that perplexes me. How does that get broken?

'Cause then you have a 6 squad activation from a ship with a base squad value of 2.

2 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said:

'Cause then you have a 6 squad activation from a ship with a base squad value of 2.

How do you get 6? It is only 1 per token. So 4 at best.

Just now, Lyraeus said:

How do you get 6? It is only 1 per token. So 4 at best.

Nope. Liberty title says you can activate an additional squad with the token, so 2 per token.

1 minute ago, Lyraeus said:

How do you get 6? It is only 1 per token. So 4 at best.

.... The Rare Counter-Dras does exist!

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

Liberty title.

So its 2 per token.

You were ninja'd but yea. Still would make Leia real fun but still not good on the Liberty. Big ships like using multiple toke s typically

Just now, Lyraeus said:

You were ninja'd but yea. Still would make Leia real fun but still not good on the Liberty. Big ships like using multiple toke s typically

In this case, its a Ship that is inherently a deal cheaper than an MC80 (even with the title), and is capable of Speed 3 movement, and flight Controllers, both of which the MC80 cannot do in its wildest dreams. (Okay, it can dream a little with the Speed 2+1, but still, is but a dream to leapfrog an ISD properly)

Because Leia on the MC80 is still throwing 6, but you're being hobbled by the fact that its an MC80...

9 hours ago, Pikeman84 said:

Initially, I was firmly in the "No double tokens" camp, but a thought occurred to me

Was it just me, or did anybody else have a "Well that's weird..." moment when first reading Leia's card? Specifically the "may not resolve another command this round" part. It just struck me as so awkwardly written, and it's been stuck in the back of my mind for a while now. I kept thinking it would have been much better written as, "may not spend a token this round". It's so much more concise and clear that way, so why didn't they write it like that?

Unless.... they wrote it the way they did on purpose.

I just can't find a justification for such awkward and bizarre writing unless they specifically wanted to make an exception for using a token that matches your super-dial. If they didn't want that exception, they could have written her card description so much more clearly. I know this isn't definitive evidence one way or another, but it's what put me in the "double token" side .

Still not sure if that's something I want though. Squadron 4 Yavaris and all the other shenanigans that potentially open up would make Leia quite the intimidating addition to Armada.

Cocaine's a helluva drug.