"When a friendly ship resolves a command by spending a command dial, if it has not resolved another command this round, it may resolve that command as if it spent a matching command token. If it does, that ship cannot resolve additional commands this round"

help me understand, why would I want to use my dial as a token ( token command is less effective) and how would I give my ship more than one command in a round anyway ?

im missing something because they've got this priced like its the best admiral yet.

You resolve the command as if you'd spent a matching command token to the command. So a squadron command would give you the ability to command up to the ship's squadron value AND an additional squadron (due to the token effect stacking).

Leia does not resolve the command as if it is a token, she resolves the command as if the dial and a token were spent. For example, Concentrate Fire is now an additional die and a reroll together, etc.

Whenever you spend a command dial or command token, that ship counts as resolving that kind of command. You can spend them together to boost the effect if you're resolving a dial and a token of the same command together.

So let's say you've got Yavaris with a navigate token on it and it has a squadron dial. With Leia you can resolve the squadron dial as though you're also spending a token (which means you'll command 2+1=3 total squadrons) but then you can't spend the navigate token that turn to change your speed.

I'm interested to see how she fits. 38 points is steep, but she will be a really cool and versatile commander. She will also be extremely fun in CC I think.

She's basically Antilles on every ship.

6 hours ago, Critias said:

She's basically Antilles on every ship.

Except better, because she doesn't overwrite any existing tokens on the ship. So if you were flying a corvette with a nav token on it, you could pull a concentrate fire and get the benefits of the CF token as well, without having to discard your nav token. It's an all around cool ability.

8 hours ago, Snipafist said:

So let's say you've got Yavaris with a navigate token on it and it has a squadron dial. With Leia you can resolve the squadron dial as though you're also spending a token (which means you'll command 2+1=3 total squadrons) but then you can't spend the navigate token that turn to change your speed.

I don't think this is the case.

Her ability says "If you have not"

This makes me think that if you spent let's say an Engineering Token at the start of the Ships activation and later used your Concentrate Fire Dial, you would only get the dial not the Leia bonus.

Hmmm

11 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

I don't think this is the case.

Her ability says "If you have not"

This makes me think that if you spent let's say an Engineering Token at the start of the Ships activation and later used your Concentrate Fire Dial, you would only get the dial not the Leia bonus.

Hmmm

I think you and @Snipafist said the same thing in different words.

10 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

I don't think this is the case.

Her ability says "If you have not"

This makes me think that if you spent let's say an Engineering Token at the start of the Ships activation and later used your Concentrate Fire Dial, you would only get the dial not the Leia bonus.

Hmmm

The key is the last sentence.

"If it does, that ship cannot resolve additional commands this round"

you get the Leia ability or use the dial normally and retain the ability to spend command tokens, not both.

4 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

The key is the last sentence.

"If it does, that ship cannot resolve additional commands this round"

you get the Leia ability or use the dial normally and retain the ability to spend command tokens, not both.

38 points for the potential to at best use double tokens but no other commands... That is not good for 38 points.

1 minute ago, Lyraeus said:

38 points for the potential to at best use double tokens but no other commands... That is not good for 38 points.

I've thought that as well, but I feel like I'm probably just being short-sighted about the ability. It makes a fleet extremely versatile without all the token throwing tricks we use today, like Comm Net, and Tantilles. There has been many a list I've thrown Tantilles in, and that's a 49 point investment at minimum, just to give two of whatever token I want to two ships at range 5.

I remain skeptical, but I think we should give her a chance. She's likely to shine in places nobody expected.

It does seem a bit situational for a 38 point Commander...

It definitely suits single dial ships the most, but I'm not sure it is worth the cost.

Let me clarify why I done think she is not good. To do this I will have to go over the commands and their usefulness.

Squadron: With the dial and Double token you can get 5-7 squadrons. 1 token is not great so the loss of this is not that bad. Though sometimes that token can have mattered.

Engineering: Dial and Double token is GREAT! Engineering 8 is great, so is 7. A single dial has save countless ships in this game. It's loss is bad.

Concentrate Fire: Add a dice and 2 rerolls is great, a single reroll is nice but usually not exceptional.

Navigate: Extra Yaw and a sped change of 3 is interesting. Not great and not used often but it has potential. The token is very useful and has saved ships in the speed shift.

Now remember, Leia will prevent abilities like Engine Techs, Repair Crews, Projection Experts, etc that you try to power with a token.

So my statement stands. 38 points for the potential to not need a token is not good. Far too expensive.

I'll add that I'm in the camp that you cannot double token with Leia. So that may make you feel even worse when it becomes the truth (which is almost certainly will be).

2 minutes ago, WuFame said:

I'll add that I'm in the camp that you cannot double token with Leia. So that may make you feel even worse when it becomes the truth (which is almost certainly will be).

It is still a single command. That is how you are allowed to use a Dial and Token in the first place so I don't see your side @WuFame .

10 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

so I don't see your side @WuFame .

Least surprising statement award goes to...

It'll definitely need to be FAQed or reworded before it comes out. I see both sides, I just suspect it will come down on my side. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

14 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

It is still a single command. That is how you are allowed to use a Dial and Token in the first place so I don't see your side @WuFame .

Where does it say you can get the benefit of 2 spent tokens?

If I reveal a Repair dial and have a token and have Leia, you cannot spend the token, the dial, and use Leia to get the benefit of spending the token to get 4+2+2.

A ship can spend both a command dial and a command token to combine their effects. Doing so counts as a single resolution of the command. For example, a ship can increase its speed twice by spending a M command dial and a M command token.

It's entirely possible this is a case of "This scenario has never been possible so we never considered it." There has never been an effect that would allow 2 tokens of the same thing to be spent together, but as it is, the rules say you can spend a dial and a token to combine their effects.

One could argue "a" is singular, but I'm not going to get into a linguistic debate because the card has yet to be released.

12 minutes ago, WuFame said:

Least surprising statement award goes to...

It'll definitely need to be FAQed or reworded before it comes out. I see both sides, I just suspect it will come down on my side. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

She would be near worthless then

It's seems like a clear choice to me. You either:

A) reveal dial and choose to use Leia's ability this activation. You get the dial+effect of the identical token and can resolve no further commands by any other means this activations.

B) reveal dial and choose not to activate Leia. Proceed as normal, utilising the dial and any additional tokens as you choose.

Is anyone saying anything different to this?

Just now, Undeadguy said:

Where does it say you can get the benefit of 2 spent tokens?

If I reveal a Repair dial and have a token and have Leia, you cannot spend the token, the dial, and use Leia to get the benefit of spending the token to get 4+2+2.

A ship can spend both a command dial and a command token to combine their effects. Doing so counts as a single resolution of the command. For example, a ship can increase its speed twice by spending a M command dial and a M command token.

It's entirely possible this is a case of "This scenario has never been possible so we never considered it." There has never been an effect that would allow 2 tokens of the same thing to be spent together, but as it is, the rules say you can spend a dial and a token to combine their effects.

One could argue "a" is singular, but I'm not going to get into a linguistic debate because the card has yet to be released.

Becuase you have not actually spent a command token with the effect and the fact that you are still only using a single command

4 minutes ago, ManInTheBox said:

It's seems like a clear choice to me. You either:

A) reveal dial and choose to use Leia's ability this activation. You get the dial+effect of the identical token and can resolve no further commands by any other means this activations.

B) reveal dial and choose not to activate Leia. Proceed as normal, utilising the dial and any additional tokens as you choose.

Is anyone saying anything different to this?

You're close to it but not quite. Several dial spending decisions wait until a later moment (specifically concentrate fire and navigate) and so Leia's ability isn't decided on until/unless a dial is spent to resolve a command. You therefore wouldn't choose to use her ability upon revealing a dial if you had either of those two dials.

And I think she's going to be fun with smaller ships that can't stack many command tokens anyways. Nebulon-Bs in particular are going to be legit with Leia. She may be too expensive to see much use at 400, but we'll see...

1 minute ago, Snipafist said:

You're close to it but not quite. Several dial spending decisions wait until a later moment (specifically concentrate fire and navigate) and so Leia's ability isn't decided on until/unless a dial is spent to resolve a command. You therefore wouldn't choose to use her ability upon revealing a dial if you had either of those two dials.

And I think she's going to be fun with smaller ships that can't stack many command tokens anyways. Nebulon-Bs in particular are going to be legit with Leia. She may be too expensive to see much use at 400, but we'll see...

Good catch. I'd also add that Leia's ability is decided before you depend a dial if you spend a token before you come to resolve the dial.

As for her utility, I'll let you know how I get on in the Vassal Tournament.

8 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

Becuase you have not actually spent a command token with the effect and the fact that you are still only using a single command

Right but you are getting the effect of spending a token and dial. But we already have a rule that says you can spend a token with the dial to get a combined effect.

Leia and dial = combined effect
Token and dial = combined effect

You can't get 2 combined effects.

3 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

Right but you are getting the effect of spending a token and dial. But we already have a rule that says you can spend a token with the dial to get a combined effect.

Leia and dial = combined effect
Token and dial = combined effect

You can't get 2 combined effects.

I'm looking at this conversation, and while I lean towards undead's interpretation I have to say I think both are pretty reasonable. I look forward to finding out how she works sixth months after release.