1. Targeting beacons. Do those tokens stack each other?

My thought: no.

2. JJ. Does Jerry give two or I could just add one?

My thought: I could add just one.

1. Its most likely limited to once. I mean, you could argue Bomber command precedence (multiple events due to multiple upgrades).

2. Jerry makes the yaw value II. You don't have to use it. He just makes it available.

25 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

1. Its most likely limited to once. I mean, you could argue Bomber command precedence (multiple events due to multiple upgrades).

2. Jerry makes the yaw value II. You don't have to use it. He just makes it available.

BCC made me wonder about. But I am too tired after the tournament I played today to think about it properly.

That was what I understan. Just wanted to be sure about.

Thanks Dras. Your help is always welcomed.

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Targeting Beacon tokens don't stack.

It is not the tokens that give you the reroll, it is the mission. And the wording is: "While one of the second player's ships is attacking a ship that is at distance 1-2 of an objective token, the attacker my reroll up to 2 attack dice in the attack pool."

It does not matter how many tokens are in range. The "while" can trigger only once.

4 hours ago, Tokra said:

Targeting Beacon tokens don't stack.

It is not the tokens that give you the reroll, it is the mission. And the wording is: "While one of the second player's ships is attacking a ship that is at distance 1-2 of an objective token, the attacker my reroll up to 2 attack dice in the attack pool."

It does not matter how many tokens are in range. The "while" can trigger only once.

BCC says while as well, but each one triggers and stacks. Why can't multiple tokens trigger?

10 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

BCC says while as well, but each one triggers and stacks. Why can't multiple tokens trigger?

I think there are 2 ways to interpret stacking tokens.

1. The objective card itself generates the rerolls, and thus it can only be triggered once per the "while" rules. So stacking 2 tokens will not work.
2. The token generates the effect and follows the rules of the objective. Essentially each token has the special rule listed on the objective. I think this is less likely to be the case.

As far as I am aware, there has never been a case like this before. Either way is good. Either is it stacks for more rerolls, or you get to invest less work into making the objective work.

As i said already. It is the mission and not the tokens that trigger it.
And multiple BCC trigger because it is multiple (same effect from different sources).

It would be something else, when the targeting beacon text would be a little bit different. If it would say: Each token has the following text: While one of the second player's ships is attacking a ship that is at distance 1-2 of this objective token, the attacker my reroll up to 2 attack dice in the attack pool."
In this case the tokens would trigger multiple times, because the source is now the token and not the mission card.

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1 hour ago, ovinomanc3r said:

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What about Minefields?
If you're trying to compare it with Targeting Beacons, they have different wording.

Targeting Beacons uses the word "While" so the effect can only be triggered once per chance, and even if there are more than one token as the card that triggers it is only one (the objective card). In the case of BCC it stack because the source are different cards with the same wording and you can trigger it's effect once per card (source).

Minefields does't use the word "While", it just says "If a ship end its movement...". As there is no limitation for that wording in the RRG we can safely assume that if a ship ends its movement at distance 1 of more than one token, all of them which fulfill that condition are triggered

35 minutes ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

What about Minefields?
If you're trying to compare it with Targeting Beacons, they have different wording.

Targeting Beacons uses the word "While" so the effect can only be triggered once per chance, and even if there are more than one token as the card that triggers it is only one (the objective card). In the case of BCC it stack because the source are different cards with the same wording and you can trigger it's effect once per card (source).

Minefields does't use the word "While", it just says "If a ship end its movement...". As there is no limitation for that wording in the RRG we can safely assume that if a ship ends its movement at distance 1 of more than one token, all of them which fulfill that condition are triggered

I see...

Then?

28 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I see...

Then?

Sorry, I don't understand your question

30 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

I see...

Then?

It would be way more easier when you explain a little bit why you link the cards. Something like ask a real question.

Would it be like Sat then?

Just now, ovinomanc3r said:

Would it be like Sat then?

Ah right, it would be like Sato which uses the word while. So no matter how many squadrons are at distance 1 of the defending ship, you only get to channge 2 dice

As was pointed out above, Targeting Beacons is a simple yes/no question:

Is the target in range of a beacon?

Yes: reroll 1 die.

No: no reroll.

The question only gets asked once, as it is a "while" effect with a single source (the mission objective card).

14 hours ago, Undeadguy said:

I think there are 2 ways to interpret stacking tokens.

1. The objective card itself generates the rerolls, and thus it can only be triggered once per the "while" rules. So stacking 2 tokens will not work.
2. The token generates the effect and follows the rules of the objectivve. Essentially each token has the special rule listed on the objective. I think this is less likely to be the case.

As far as I am aware, there has never been a case like this before. Either way is good. Either is it stacks for more rerolls, or you get to invest less work into making the objective work.

It's definitely 1. There is no stacking here, just one effect that can take place once for each occurrence of the triggering event.

The effect is coming from one source, the objective card. In order for it to stack, it would have to be conferred on the token:

" Each objective token gains the following effect: While one of the second player's ships is attacking a ship that is at distance 1-2 of an this objective token, the attacker may reroll up to 2 attack dice in the attack pool."

Because that is not the case, the effect belongs to the card, and can only be triggered once per triggering event.

On 4/29/2017 at 1:23 PM, ovinomanc3r said:

1. Targeting beacons. Do those tokens stack each other?

My thought: no.

2. JJ. Does Jerry give two or I could just add one?

My thought: I could add just one.

Targeting beacons does not say:

While one of the second player's ships is attacking a ship that is at distance 1-2 of an objective token, the attacker may reroll up to 2 attack dice for each objective token within distance 1-2 of a defending ship.

The card could have easily been written to make it stack, but it wasn't written that way.