+ GR-75 Transport Flotilla +

GR-75 Medium Transports [20pts]: Comms Net

GR-75 Medium Transports [54pts]: Comms Net, •Bright Hope, •Commander Sato

+ MC80 Cruiser (Liberty Type) +

MC80 Star Cruiser [128pts]: Gunnery Team, Intel Officer, Leading Shots, XI7 Turbolasers, •Mon Karren

+ Nebulon-B Frigate +

Nebulon-B Support Frigate [65pts]: •Raymus Antilles, •Salvation

+ Pelta-class Ship +

Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship [64pts]: •Ahsoka Tano, •Shields to Maximum!

+ Squadrons +

HWK-290 [12pts]: HWK-290

Lancer-class Pursuit Craft [30pts]: 2x Lancer-class Pursuit Craft

X-Wing [26pts]: 2x X-Wing Squadron

++ Total: [399pts] ++

This worked well. The Liberty was able to pounce on 3 Artikittens taking one out and ramming the other. Lost both of the lancers but they allowed Sato to be used. Was great fun. I rolled meh but it was good. Need to play it more.

Why the lancers? I've struggled to see why I should use them instead of a cheaper, more resilient, bomber.

1 hour ago, buckero0 said:

Why the lancers? I've struggled to see why I should use them instead of a cheaper, more resilient, bomber.

Rogue, Speed, Cost.

3 Y-Wings are a potential replacement though

Lyraeus,

Here is my Sato solution for you.

http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=101856

24 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Lyraeus,

Here is my Sato solution for you.

http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/fleet_builder.php?edit=true&listId=101856

That is the edit link. You need to make a completed version first

1 minute ago, Lyraeus said:

That is the edit link. You need to make a completed version first

http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=101856

3 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

http://armadawarlords.hivelabs.solutions/view_list.php?token=101856

3 ship build though... Would be hard, interesting but hard.

19 minutes ago, Lyraeus said:

3 ship build though... Would be hard, interesting but hard.

Thing is, you can either try and fight the activation race or just accept it. Each extra activation is worth less, so by choosing not to keep up with the activation race you likely make 25/50 pts of worthless flotillas in all your opponents lists. It still helps to be first player here.

Highly effective activations with first player are potentially stronger than having high number of activations.

4 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Thing is, you can either try and fight the activation race or just accept it.

Yup. Just getting started working on this, but... it's a thing, just like countering those 30-point DeMSU bids by not bidding was a thing.

Don't get me wrong, activation advantage is definitely valuable, and if I could guarantee that I'd have it every time at no cost, I'd take it. But I'm not convinced that it's everything as some make it out to be, especially if you're bringing ships with large, highly lethal threat zones, or you have ways to force them into your kill zone.

Your fleet here is basically my 500 point c.f. fleet. Except more bombers (to get to 500) and bomber command on the flotillas. Works really well. Just have to be careful to not leave the neb b and pelta hanging out too much because I've had them both be 1 shot by ISDs right when I thought I had victory in the bag

34 minutes ago, Ardaedhel said:

Yup. Just getting started working on this, but... it's a thing, just like countering those 30-point DeMSU bids by not bidding was a thing.

Don't get me wrong, activation advantage is definitely valuable, and if I could guarantee that I'd have it every time at no cost, I'd take it. But I'm not convinced that it's everything as some make it out to be, especially if you're bringing ships with large, highly lethal threat zones, or you have ways to force them into your kill zone.

I played 2 ISD list against CNinj 5 ships. Problem was that I couldnt finish anything of. At no point did I feel threatened by the activation advantage of CNinj.

On April 28, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Lyraeus said:

+ GR-75 Transport Flotilla +

GR-75 Medium Transports [20pts]: Comms Net

GR-75 Medium Transports [54pts]: Comms Net, •Bright Hope, •Commander Sato

+ MC80 Cruiser (Liberty Type) +

MC80 Star Cruiser [128pts]: Gunnery Team, Intel Officer, Leading Shots, XI7 Turbolasers, •Mon Karren

+ Nebulon-B Frigate +

Nebulon-B Support Frigate [65pts]: •Raymus Antilles, •Salvation

+ Pelta-class Ship +

Modified Pelta-class Assault Ship [64pts]: •Ahsoka Tano, •Shields to Maximum!

+ Squadrons +

HWK-290 [12pts]: HWK-290

Lancer-class Pursuit Craft [30pts]: 2x Lancer-class Pursuit Craft

X-Wing [26pts]: 2x X-Wing Squadron

++ Total: [399pts] ++

What's your deployment and maneuver thoughts on the 1st two turns? I played a similar list and got murdered. I killed 2 Arq and some sundries but couldn't bring the Imperial class down. He one-shot my pelta when I misplayed a maneuver. He got my mc30 same way.

Are you trying to get into medium range and switch out red/blue dice for black?

how do you speed your salvation? I always seem to get one shot off and then take it in the side and die

I like to start slow. Watch their moves and plan a counter. Against the ISD I actually place the Neb head on if possible and start slow building tokens. From there I watch and focus down the biggest threat.