https://m.imgur.com/Apgs4co

If true, it all sounds cool.

Now, let's begin jumping to conclusions about what that image could mean for future waves. Republic-Era Y-Wing confirmed?

Sounds mostly legit. Agent Kallus tokens as a top 2 prize though? I keep forgetting this is store champs coming up and not regionals...

Just now, PhantomFO said:

If true, it all sounds cool.

Now, let's begin jumping to conclusions about what that image could mean for future waves. Republic-Era Y-Wing confirmed?

I'm pretty sure that's a Shadowcaster engine, no?

4 minutes ago, Otacon said:

I'm pretty sure that's a Shadowcaster engine, no?

And thus ends my jump.

I like it if true.

Ok hearing this Kallus token is coming out I have to ask. I have a token with an EPT icon on it that I use to remind myself of Crackshot, a friend told me that's illegal to use a reminder token. This Kallus token, while made by FFG, is not something you get with the appropriate ship and serves the same purpose. Is my friend full of it?

14 minutes ago, Skargoth said:

Ok hearing this Kallus token is coming out I have to ask. I have a token with an EPT icon on it that I use to remind myself of Crackshot, a friend told me that's illegal to use a reminder token. This Kallus token, while made by FFG, is not something you get with the appropriate ship and serves the same purpose. Is my friend full of it?

I think your friend is correct. About two years ago there was a picture of a Phantom with a paper note attached that read "cloak" as a reminder. It was ruled unusable in tournament play. Hence the ruling in the FAQ.

29 minutes ago, Skargoth said:

Ok hearing this Kallus token is coming out I have to ask. I have a token with an EPT icon on it that I use to remind myself of Crackshot, a friend told me that's illegal to use a reminder token. This Kallus token, while made by FFG, is not something you get with the appropriate ship and serves the same purpose. Is my friend full of it?

11 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

I think your friend is correct. About two years ago there was a picture of a Phantom with a paper note attached that read "cloak" as a reminder. It was ruled unusable in tournament play. Hence the ruling in the FAQ.

How is that illegal? Under the section "Open, Derived, and Hidden Information" it states:

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Derived information may be marked with the use of a token or other indicator so that players remember the information.

I think using a token to remind you that Crack Shot is still available would be perfectly legal to use. If anything the ruling you mentioned from two years ago may be out of date since they updated the FAQ with that section.

6 minutes ago, kris40k said:

How is that illegal? Under the section "Open, Derived, and Hidden Information" it states:

I think using a token to remind you that Crack Shot is still available would be perfectly legal to use.

Page 5 of the tournament rules. Referencing outside material. If you're playing against a Phantom with a sticky note that says cloak, do you think it's fair that I never forget to cloak after shooting? Are you going to remind your opponent to "action up" every time he forgets? Or is it ok that all his ships carry a little flag that says "ACTION".

A lot of this falls under Missed Opportunity. Remembering what you brought, what remains and what's spent is part of the game. If I was training some one it's a different matter. Even in a casual game I try to adhere to the rules. I think this makes for better play experiences and makes me a better player.

Of course in really casual play you can do whatever you want.

2 minutes ago, Stoneface said:

Page 5 of the tournament rules. Referencing outside material. If you're playing against a Phantom with a sticky note that says cloak, do you think it's fair that I never forget to cloak after shooting? Are you going to remind your opponent to "action up" every time he forgets? Or is it ok that all his ships carry a little flag that says "ACTION".

A lot of this falls under Missed Opportunity. Remembering what you brought, what remains and what's spent is part of the game. If I was training some one it's a different matter. Even in a casual game I try to adhere to the rules. I think this makes for better play experiences and makes me a better player.

Of course in really casual play you can do whatever you want.

Well yeah actually I do think that's fair; after you play a match in which your opponent always remembers to cloak, do you shake your fist and say, "Drat, I was hoping you'd miss some opportunities!"?

If you a) expect your top caliber of opponents to always remember every opportunity they have, and b) face an opponent with the humility to admit that he doesn't fit that caliber and has taken the steps to correct that issue FOR HIMSELF by writing a reminder down, so that at most he reaches the caliber of play you're expecting from the best, why would you be upset about that? Why would you have a problem with that?

It's not like he's asking you to remind him yourself. It's not like you're cheapening your skills by getting a better game in.

This is not the attitude I've come to expect from you, Stoneface, and I've got to say I'm disappointed.

There's tokens to remind you about critical hits. We've got all kinds of palp tokens etc. I see no issue with a Kallus token.

Kallus token seems pretty large also. And there's range 1, 2, and 3 range rulers as well. Top 8 get range 3 and Top 4 get range 1 and 2.

That's a big token.

How high were the designers when they made that token? Where am I supposed to put that during the game? Do I ask my opponent to pin it to their shirt so I remember I have Kallus?

1 hour ago, Sparklelord said:

Well yeah actually I do think that's fair; after you play a match in which your opponent always remembers to cloak, do you shake your fist and say, "Drat, I was hoping you'd miss some opportunities!"?

If you a) expect your top caliber of opponents to always remember every opportunity they have, and b) face an opponent with the humility to admit that he doesn't fit that caliber and has taken the steps to correct that issue FOR HIMSELF by writing a reminder down, so that at most he reaches the caliber of play you're expecting from the best, why would you be upset about that? Why would you have a problem with that?

It's not like he's asking you to remind him yourself. It's not like you're cheapening your skills by getting a better game in.

This is not the attitude I've come to expect from you, Stoneface, and I've got to say I'm disappointed.

I'm not being a hard-ass about this but even I have limits on Casual Play. I usually play Wednesdays, Thursdays and some Sundays. Thursdays is at the FLGS and if the person across from me is a new player I will do just about anything to help him or her. Such as annotated play where each move is talked about before the next ship is moved. This is very slow but it really helps the very new player develop a "feel" for what's happening during one round. It's the "what were you thinking when you set your dial" school of thought. Or constantly remind them to "action up".

If I sit down with an experienced player and either one of us is trying something new, usually an off-the-wall build, I'll remind my opponent to perform actions, check cards or whatever (if I remember!), because trying out new combos, especially with new releases, can be mind numbing. It's easy to assemble a squad in the quiet confines of one's basement but can be a PITA implementing on the table for the first time. In this case I wouldn't have a problem with crib notes or tokens or little flags.

Now, if I sit down across from an experienced player with a Tie Swarm and Howlrunner as an example, the situation is very different. There won't be any reminders for actions and if I eff up and forget a Target Lock or pilot ability or whatever, that's on me. That's part of the game. The "Missed Opportunities" listed in the rules. I'm not even talking about "Top Caliber" players. Just some one that knows the rules and should know the build.

I'm not a WAAC job. I'll probably never compete above the store level. I'm not going to beat my opponent with the rule book if he makes a mistake. There are times though that a hard learned lesson is learned well. For example: I had about 3 months of play under my belt when I entered my first store tournament. At this time I had only played against one opponent and he was learning along with me. I had no delusion about winning but needless to say my performance was horrid. Simple list. Six Z-95's of various PS and mostly the same missile load out. I set dials backwards, forgot Target Locks, blocked my own aces, forgot simple actions etc.. Thankfully my opponents were stand up guys and didn't do a Happy Dance or anything like that. Why do I mention this? Simple. From then on I seldom forgot an action, or forgot to rotate my dial when my ship is facing me or any of the other little things that need to be considered during Planning and Activation. The memory of that drubbing returns and the little voice of Airen Cracken whispers "Don't forget your actions, idiot". I still screw stuff up, especially with untried builds or some hair-brained idea I came up with but those instances are rare.

These are my thoughts on playing the game. I'm by no means a "Top Caliber" player", though I have been beat by some. Overall I'm probably on the south side of 50%. Win or lose I have fun though it's more fun to win. Some of my most enjoyable games were losses. Very, very close but still losses.

4 hours ago, Stoneface said:

Page 5 of the tournament rules. Referencing outside material.

You are likely mis-interpreting this rule. Let's take a close look at the "outside material" rule on page 5, under the heading "Taking Notes and Outside Material":

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Taking Notes and Outside Material

Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round. However, players may reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain hidden information at any time or ask a judge for clarification from official rule documents. Official rule documents include all rules documents and inserts available on the X-Wing page of our website, those found in an X-Wing product, or any portion thereof.

The rule is referencing notes and documentation, not tokens used for reminders. This is an important distinction. A simple explanation of this rule is you cannot reference things like tables showing the percentages when using 2 or 3 die attacks against 2 or 3 defense dice with or without focus tokens, target locks, etc., or bring up a Youtube video or documentation you made of your opponent playing from the previous tournament.

Reminder tokens are explicitly allowed . Let go back one page to page 4, under "Tokens"

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Tokens

Tokens are representations of information about the game or game state. The presence of tokens—other than tokens that are essential components—is marked by one or more indicators. Indicators may also be used to represent multiple tokens, or other open or derived information. Essential tokens are ship and obstacle tokens, as well as any bomb tokens (in a reasonable quantity) required for a player’s list. Other tokens are not essential components. Typically, players use the cardboard tokens included in official product as indicators. However, players may choose to use other items as indicators, so long as they do not obscure significant component information, are resistant to accidental modification, and their purpose of use is clear to both players. The marshal is responsible for determining the legality of an indicator and its reasonable usage during a match if objected to by its owner’s opponent.

Bolding for emphasis is mine. You do not have to use officially supplied tokens, you can use other items as reminders.

4 hours ago, Stoneface said:

Page 5 of the tournament rules. Referencing outside material. If you're playing against a Phantom with a sticky note that says cloak, do you think it's fair that I never forget to cloak after shooting? Are you going to remind your opponent to "action up" every time he forgets? Or is it ok that all his ships carry a little flag that says "ACTION".

A lot of this falls under Missed Opportunity. Remembering what you brought, what remains and what's spent is part of the game. If I was training some one it's a different matter. Even in a casual game I try to adhere to the rules. I think this makes for better play experiences and makes me a better player.

Of course in really casual play you can do whatever you want.

P5 tournament rules

Taking Notes and Outside Material Players cannot take notes or reference outside material or information during a tournament round. However, players may reference official rule documents or game components that do not contain hidden information at any time or ask a judge for clarification from official rule documents. Official rule documents include all rules documents and inserts available on the X-Wing page of our website, those found in an X-Wing product, or any portion thereof.

P4 tournament rules on hidden information and game components

Tokens Tokens are representations of information about the game or game state. The presence of tokens—other than tokens that are essential components—is marked by one or more indicators. Indicators may also be used to represent multiple tokens, or other open or derived information. Essential tokens are ship and obstacle tokens, as well as any bomb tokens (in a reasonable quantity) required for a player’s list. Other tokens are not essential components. Typically, players use the cardboard tokens included in official product as indicators. However, players may choose to use other items as indicators, so long as they do not obscure significant component information, are resistant to accidental modification, and their purpose of use is clear to both players. The marshal is responsible for determining the legality of an indicator and its reasonable usage during a match if objected to by its owner’s opponent. Legal Products Players must use only official Star Wars: X-Wing™ Miniatures Game components in tournament play, with the following exceptions for third-party replacements: • Non-essential tokens (see “Tokens” on page 4) • Range rulers that match the dimensions of an official range ruler or a particular section of an official range ruler • Movement templates that match the dimensions of official maneuver templates Determining the legality of any questionable third-party tokens, range rulers, and movement templates is the marshal’s responsibility. Proxies of cards are not allowed unless used under the rules of “Lost and Damaged Components” on page 4. Components can be modified only as described under “Component Modifications” on page 4. If a player uses the Star Wars™ Dice App, the device with the app must be displayed in full view of both players at all times, and his or her opponent may request to share the app

I frequently use the generic tracking tokens to track uses of Kanan Jarus, or Snap Shot, or whatever, mostly to keep myself from making an accidental illegal action/effect.

6 hours ago, PhantomFO said:

And thus ends my jump.

Let's instead jump to conclusions about what kind of engine it is!

It's a bit weird that they include the Modification symbol on the front of the card, you see that a lot on custom cards.

Would be cool to see some title cards, double sided Falcon title card? One side with an original trilogy picture, the other side with a picture of Jakku.

5 hours ago, Stoneface said:

I think your friend is correct. About two years ago there was a picture of a Phantom with a paper note attached that read "cloak" as a reminder. It was ruled unusable in tournament play. Hence the ruling in the FAQ.

If so, what's stopping people from writing 'cloak!' ,on the model itself ?

The plastic ship is definitely not outside material, and you are allowed to repaint it.

2 hours ago, skins1924 said:

How high were the designers when they made that token? Where am I supposed to put that during the game? Do I ask my opponent to pin it to their shirt so I remember I have Kallus?

When you enter a tournament venue, menacingly walk up to someone, say "You", and then pin it to their shirt.

When you get paired up with that person, stare them down all game.

If I'm flying a list with a lot of triggers in a tournament (and who isn't these days?) I typically write notes on the back of my hands before the first game. Like "CLOAK!" or "Fire Control System" or "Manaroo" to help me remember. 90% of the time I'm really good at taking my opportunities but after 4 or 5 rounds I start getting a little sloppy.

I've never been called on it being illegal, and I guess I never even thought that it would be an issue.

When I play X-wing I want both me and my opponent to be playing at the top of their game. I don't want to win on a technicality or because my opponent forgot to trigger a vital ability. Even in a tournament (only been as high as regionals) I will ask my opponent if he is triggering something if I see him/her make an obvious mistake.

Such as "No actions for Soontir then?" or "Manaroo is keeping her tokens?"

If I genuinely forget something that I was supposed to do I will typically just lament it aloud, like "Ah man! I forgot to re-cloak whisper, dang". Then it's up to my opponent as to whether he wants to be merciful. I'm fine either way if I genuinely missed an opportunity. The onus is on me to remember my own abilities.

I think in a competitive setting good communication is essential so that both players feel like they are playing a fair game, especially since there are so many different trigger windows in the game now. I would never want to feel rushed past a trigger and I would never want my opponent to feel that way either.

Even though I think there is more whining on the forums these days, I have still never really had a negative experience when playing people in real life at events.

12 hours ago, kris40k said:

How is that illegal? Under the section "Open, Derived, and Hidden Information" it states:

I think using a token to remind you that Crack Shot is still available would be perfectly legal to use. If anything the ruling you mentioned from two years ago may be out of date since they updated the FAQ with that section.

You could be right and token use as you mentioned is completely legal and my info is out of date. However, in all the games I've watched the only non standard use of a token was by a guy using a "special" token to show that he had used Palpatine's ability.

Edit: Under tokens on page 4 the last sentence. You are correct. Unless an opponent objects to the use of the reminder it is acceptable.