4 minutes ago, Danwarr said:

Wording is poor, but there is this:

So any Holding just get auto attached during the Dynasty phase, and then replaced with a Face down card. But we really won't know until we see the rule book.

Yeah if you look at that same quote, it says "Like characters". So what you are saying is that characters attach to provinces, then?

Also, what Silverfox posted!

But I've already chosen my clan, Article! Now when/where do I sign up for the prerelease?

Just now, Silverfox13 said:

While holdings can provide boosts, it is important to note that the more holdings you include in a deck, the less characters will be placed on provinces , limiting your options during the dynasty phase.

Some clarification on this would be nice, but a safe/nice assumption would be that Holdings do not limit future cards being placed on that Province. I just find it hard to believe that FFG would limit your play based on a random draw of cards because you have no control over where the Holdings go. Theoretically you could lock all of your Provinces in the blocking scenario.

1 minute ago, Sparks Duh said:

Yeah if you look at that same wording, it says "Like characters". So what you are saying is that characters attach to provinces, then?

Also, what Silverfox posted!

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[Holdings] are not played to the home area and instead provide powerful abilities and bonus strength to their relevant provinces.

I agree, I would like to see some clarification on if Holdings block provinces from getting Dynasty cards though.

Just now, Danwarr said:

Some clarification on this would be nice, but a safe/nice assumption would be that Holdings do not limit future cards being placed on that Province. I just find it hard to believe that FFG would limit your play based on a random draw of cards because you have no control over where the Holdings go. Theoretically you could lock all of your Provinces in the blocking scenario.

I don't think they would call this out specifically unless it worked as an exception to normal dynasty behavior.

7 minutes ago, Silverfox13 said:

While holdings can provide boosts, it is important to note that the more holdings you include in a deck, the less characters will be placed on provinces , limiting your options during the dynasty phase.

it could be referencing fewer characters in your deck.

My issue with holdings clogging provinces, if that is the case, with a 40 card deck, is that I'd only ever play a few holdings and unless the bonuses are immense there is almost no reason to play them over characters. My chance of drawing them would be awful. And if I accidentally drew them all I would also be screwed. So I am *holding* out for more info and hoping that they can somehow allow the provinces to be refilled because even then they still reduce the # of people I can draw like the article suggests.

I think you can discard the holding, then place a facedown card in the province. They did mention discarding a copy of a unique character. So it would be your choice whether to keep the holding or not.

3 minutes ago, Danwarr said:

Some clarification on this would be nice, but a safe/nice assumption would be that Holdings do not limit future cards being placed on that Province.

Assume all you like, but it seems to me, by the wording in the article, holdings just stay in the provinces in which it was flipped. Especially given the wording on the crab holding.

24 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

I don't know why this would surprise you. Nowhere in the article does it say you are buying holdings. You should be surprised if you DO buy holdings.

Also, the crab holding wouldn't make much sense if it were to be put into the board from out of the province slot. It seems like it just stays in the province slot to me.

You may be right, but in that case, what would be the use of the Crab holding?

If it works this way, you can't have 2 holdings on the same province and you can't have characters coming in it either.

So, you have +2 defense to a province which only use would be the Province card. This Province card would have to be very strong with an action usable out of conflict to be worth the trade-off, since if it's not, I can avoid it until the end (remember, you only have to destroy 3 of the 4 provinces to be able to attack the stronghold - and you can't bring the holding to the stronhold).

Maybe those very strong provinces exist, but we what we have seen until now, I didn't see them.

But maybe I've missed something that would make that card worth it.

Just now, Jedi samurai said:

it could be referencing fewer characters in your deck.

This could be, but I think common sense would dictate that they didn't need to waste a sentence to make that point.

So, lets say Holdings take up Dynasty slots:

• Will there be ways to discard your own holdings, or if you ever flip four holdings are you now dynasty locked?
• Will holdings that flip in already burned provinces just be discarded, losing you a draw, or are they immortal?
• Why are they templated like attachments if they're just going to be hanging out on top of their provinces the entire time?
• Does this imply that when you burn a province you discard the dynasty card there? Or is there just no natural counterplay to holdings?

First, of all the cards we have seen so far, I cannot find one with a poor art. Great job FFG.

The vibe I'm getting is that holdings attached to your provinces are in your provinces. This fortification switches itself with a different holding.

2 minutes ago, Jedi samurai said:

it could be referencing fewer characters in your deck.

Or fewer characters face-up in your provinces this turn to be played since the holding would be replaced face-down.

1 minute ago, MoZi said:

My issue with holdings clogging provinces, if that is the case, with a 40 card deck, is that I'd only ever play a few holdings and unless the bonuses are immense there is almost no reason to play them over characters. My chance of drawing them would be awful. And if I accidentally drew them all I would also be screwed. So I am *holding* out for more info and hoping that they can somehow allow the provinces to be refilled because even then they still reduce the # of people I can draw like the article suggests.

I think preference and balance will be a key point in designing built decks, but having X copies of a clutch holding doesn't seem out of the question.

2 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

Assume all you like, but it seems to me, by the wording in the article, holdings just stay in the provinces in which it was flipped. Especially given the wording on the crab holding.

We are speculating off a paragraph of writing. It's not as if your assumption isn't also speculative.

Well having many holdings in your deck it will lead to less characters appearing in your provinces during the Dynasty phase...

Some clarification is needed indeed though.

1 minute ago, GoblinGuide said:

So, lets say Holdings take up Dynasty slots:

• Will there be ways to discard your own holdings, or if you ever flip four holdings are you now dynasty locked?
• Will holdings that flip in already burned provinces just be discarded, losing you a draw, or are they immortal?
• Why are they templated like attachments if they're just going to be hanging out on top of their provinces the entire time?
• Does this imply that when you burn a province you discard the dynasty card there? Or is there just no natural counterplay to holdings?

Don't know. Nothing in this article seems to state you can discard holdings. However, we do have more articles coming.

1 minute ago, MoZi said:

We are speculating off a paragraph of writing. It's not as if your assumption isn't also speculative.

Of course it is. But my speculation seems to make the most sense based off of the info provided.

4 minutes ago, KerenRhys said:

Or fewer characters face-up in your provinces this turn to be played since the holding would be replaced face-down.

it could

I imagine that discarding anything would be in the end phase, which will be a different article...

It's like we're trying to build a 100 piece puzzle with only 3 completely random pieces.

27 minutes ago, Bayushi Tsubaki said:

Whatever page those Province cards are on, I missed it somehow.

I only knew about the initial page and the "veterans click here" page! Where was more info posted?

The fan of province cards was on the " Showcase Page ," which is linked from the top of the sidebar on the main L5R product page .

28 minutes ago, profparm said:

Bayushi agrees.

It's all starting to make sense now. I didn't lose honor for winning that duel, I just won that duel a little too dutifully. Maybe slack off next time a little, like an honorable Samurai would.