16 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Yeah that's game breakingly good. That should cost 60 IMO

It could use some work either in cost of effect, maybe the fighter command should change, seems the most powerful?

but like I said, I feel his ability should be something like this, less gimmicky, give players the ability to boost their fleets without being stuck to one or two play styles.

2 hours ago, Democratus said:

Has canon Thrawn actually won many victories?

He has been outmaneuvered at every turn. He lost his captured spy. Hera has escaped him time and again. Even his final "masterstroke" failed to bag the core of the Lothal rebel cell.

Konstantin

Bendu

Mandelorian back up

its not all on him, but i get what your trying to say, outmaneuvered NOT so much...

I quite like the idea put forth earlier, of Thrawn having a low cost, and no ability. I'd go so far as to make him cost zero points. Having an extra 20 points to play with would be great.

1 hour ago, MercIncBourne said:

Konstantin

Bendu

Mandelorian back up

its not all on him, but i get what your trying to say, outmaneuvered NOT so much...

Thrawn cannot fail, Thrawn can only BE failed! Just like Communism!

On 4/26/2017 at 7:25 AM, thecactusman17 said:

What I'm hoping Thrawn does is something to make large ship lists viable for the Empire again. A reduction in command stacks like Relentless for example. Or perhaps an ability to reposition a medium or large ship after deployment.

I agree though. Thrawn has three options for his effect on the game: amazing, decent, and awful. And a lot of people will be at least mildly upset if he isn't amazing.

Since when are large ship lists NOT viable? They were all over the local regionals and have been rather prevalent here in the NoVA region.

9 hours ago, Formynder4 said:

Since when are large ship lists NOT viable? They were all over the local regionals and have been rather prevalent here in the NoVA region.

Sorry, I mean lists that are entirely or mostly medium-large ships winning competition events. No medium ships appeared in the top 4 in any regional and very few all-large lists got to the top 4, usually only 1-2 archetypes at most. With the Imperials being represented almost entirely by Imperial Star Destroyers in the films, it's frustrating to see that ship with so few ways to play it other than "accompanied by 3-4 smaller ships for activation advantage, or a gigantic ball of Rhymer."

18 hours ago, Democratus said:

Is he in any canon books other than "Thrawn"?

Hopefully he wont die in rebels and Zahn will give us more Thrawn. Thrawn is pretty dang amazing in the new novel. In a way even more compelling now then in the Thrawn Trilogy but of course now its because the focus is squarely on him.

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

Hopefully he wont die in rebels and Zahn will give us more Thrawn. Thrawn is pretty dang amazing in the new novel. In a way even more compelling now then in the Thrawn Trilogy but of course now its because the focus is squarely on him.

I need to pick this up. I keep meaning to finish Clone Wars, start Rebels, and then read Thrawn. I'm becoming slightly ashamed of the delay in all three.

7 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

I need to pick this up. I keep meaning to finish Clone Wars, start Rebels, and then read Thrawn. I'm becoming slightly ashamed of the delay in all three.

Thrawn is really good! Honestly the best new canon book right now and it will probably stay that way as well. Thats not a diss to the other new books but Thrawn is in a league of its own. Thats not to say its perfect but what it does really well to me is enough that it earned its weaker parts, which to be honest are still better then most Star Wars books.

1 hour ago, Forresto said:

Thats not a diss to the other new books but Thrawn is in a league of its own.

As much as I love Thrawn, I have to say that it is Zhan who is in a league of his own. Look up "Night Train to Rigel," sometime, or else the Conqueror's trilogy, if you have a taste for old-style science fiction. I advise against the Blackcollar or Cobra books, unless you REALLY like old style sci-fi.

He even made Weber's work better. I love me some Weber, but he's an acquired taste. I actively recommend against him, unless you have passed the trial by fire.

David Weber Orders a Pizza

9 hours ago, thecactusman17 said:

I need to pick this up. I keep meaning to finish Clone Wars, start Rebels, and then read Thrawn. I'm becoming slightly ashamed of the delay in all three.

I got my copy on Audible

My money is on something with command stacks

Okay I dont want to throw this thread into a tangent but is Thrawn evil? Im talking soley from what weve seen in the new canon. Obviously he's fighting for the wrong side but as an individual his recent depiction seems less malevolent and malicious then his EU counterpart. I really dont know how to feel about him currently.

For instance someone like Vader or Tarkin or Krennic or Palpatine are quite easily identified as evil people. They are responsible for billions of innocent people dying. Governor Pryce is pretty nasty horrible as well however Thrawn is mostly seen fighting enemy combatants.

6 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Okay I dont want to throw this thread into a tangent but is Thrawn evil? Im talking soley from what weve seen in the new canon. Obviously he's fighting for the wrong side but as an individual his recent depiction seems less malevolent and malicious then his EU counterpart.

For instance someone like Vader or Tarkin or Krennic or Palpatine are quite easily identified as evil people. They are responsible for billions of innocent people dying. Thrawn however is mostly seen fighting enemy combatants.

Here's a transcript of Thrawns Intro in Rebels.
(Pay attention to Kallus )

Admiral Konstantine : I'm certain Governor Pryce is overestimating how organized the Resistance is. While it's true there are pockets of rebellion, there has never been any evidence of a larger scale, galaxy-wide operation.
Grand Admiral Thrawn : And I would like to keep it that way, Admiral Konstantine.
Grand Moff Tarkin : Grand Admiral Thrawn
Admiral Konstantine : *Grand* Admiral?
Grand Admiral Thrawn : The Emperor recently promoted me after my victory at Batonn.
Agent Kallus : Civilian causalities outnumbered the insurgents at the time.
Governor Arihnda Pryce : Acceptable margins, Agent Kallus, for there are no longer any rebels in that sector.

So even if he doesn't condone it, he still participates in collatoral damage.

If it is in the effort to "get the job done", so be it.

So he's just as Evil. Its more... Calculated and Malicious rather than outright Megalomanic though.

That being said. It reminds me a little of a (less than) classic Raul Julia role.

" For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."

He kind of has that Vibe.

"The insurgents needed to be Defeated. The Insurgents were Defeated. I was Promoted for Defeating the Insurgents... "

Even that doesn't necessarily make him evil. Speaking hypothetically, if I had the location of a dangerous group of terrorists, who had attacked, and would again attack civilian targets, causing massive casualties, how much "collateral damage" is acceptable? If I deliberately kill 100 civilians and 10 terrorists, and in doing so prevent an attack that would have killed 1,000 civilians, does that make me evil?

And don't ask me to answer that one. The only answer is a huge series of nested if-then statements, most of which iterate to "I don't really know."

3 minutes ago, JgzMan said:

Even that doesn't necessarily make him evil. Speaking hypothetically, if I had the location of a dangerous group of terrorists, who had attacked, and would again attack civilian targets, causing massive casualties, how much "collateral damage" is acceptable? If I deliberately kill 100 civilians and 10 terrorists, and in doing so prevent an attack that would have killed 1,000 civilians, does that make me evil?

And don't ask me to answer that one. The only answer is a huge series of nested if-then statements, most of which iterate to "I don't really know."

If you don't know how to answer it, you're not Evil.

But I bet if you asked Thrawn, he could tell you.

Down. To. Significant. Decimal. Places.

3 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

If you don't know how to answer it, you're not Evil.

But I bet if you asked Thrawn, he could tell you.

Down. To. Significant. Decimal. Places.

How can you kill half a person?

Just now, ianediger said:

How can you kill half a person?

DO I HAVE TO BRING MAUL INTO THIS?!

21 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Here's a transcript of Thrawns Intro in Rebels.
(Pay attention to Kallus )

Admiral Konstantine : I'm certain Governor Pryce is overestimating how organized the Resistance is. While it's true there are pockets of rebellion, there has never been any evidence of a larger scale, galaxy-wide operation.
Grand Admiral Thrawn : And I would like to keep it that way, Admiral Konstantine.
Grand Moff Tarkin : Grand Admiral Thrawn
Admiral Konstantine : *Grand* Admiral?
Grand Admiral Thrawn : The Emperor recently promoted me after my victory at Batonn.
Agent Kallus : Civilian causalities outnumbered the insurgents at the time.
Governor Arihnda Pryce : Acceptable margins, Agent Kallus, for there are no longer any rebels in that sector.

So even if he doesn't condone it, he still participates in collatoral damage.

If it is in the effort to "get the job done", so be it.

So he's just as Evil. Its more... Calculated and Malicious rather than outright Megalomanic though.

That being said. It reminds me a little of a (less than) classic Raul Julia role.

" For you, the day Bison graced your village was the most important day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."

He kind of has that Vibe.

"The insurgents needed to be Defeated. The Insurgents were Defeated. I was Promoted for Defeating the Insurgents... "

Okay I just finished the Thrawn novel today and I dont want to spoil it but if you dont care i'll write it in spoilers below.

Everytime I see an imperial friendly guy trying to justify that some imperial character wasn't evil at all, I see the spark of rebellion in his heart.

We (the imperial) are the good ones. Embrace it or join the rebel scum and die with them.

I'd love to see him allow his flagship to be counted as one size larger or smaller for any situation... missions, upgrades, officers, etc.

Thats it. Just think about it. It actually does make him both innovative flexible. Reading through missions and upgrades there's enough to make it pretty decent.

1 hour ago, Lobokai said:

I'd love to see him allow his flagship to be counted as one size larger or smaller for any situation... missions, upgrades, officers, etc.

Thats it. Just think about it. It actually does make him both innovative flexible. Reading through missions and upgrades there's enough to make it pretty decent.

You just want to Hyperspace Assault in with an ISD-I

So a stupid idea set...

1- during the status phase of the first turn your opponent discards 1 deffence token on each ship in his fleet... 45-50points...

2- during the status phase of the first turn, change 1 defence token on each of your ships for 1 other defence token it already has. (This ability does not work on floatillas) 40-50 points..

I am unsure on points costs for these but yeah...

edit:...

3- During the ship phase each time you activate a ship you may choose to activate an additional ship. During the squadron phase you may choose to activate an additional squadron 60points..

Thrawn's ability: opponent plays with all command dials face up. 'Cuz Thrawn knows what they are going to do before they do.

11 hours ago, Hrathen said:

Thrawn's ability: opponent plays with all command dials face up. 'Cuz Thrawn knows what they are going to do before they do.

and each of your ships only needs one command dial assigned to them.