Some question about summoned stone：

1.If a summoned stone or image token is defeated , will it activate Reaper(from Wraith)?
2.Can a summoned stone can recive elixir token, valor token or divine fury's buff ?
3.Can Howl(bargest) or condition effect stone ?
4.Can a fire breathe traced a line through T>S>S>H ?

M：Targeted summoned stone
S：summoned stone
H：Hero
E：Empty space
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M T S H
E S E E
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other question
If Shadow walker attacks with insuffcient range , can he put shadow soul?

1) A stone won't. A stone is not treated like a hero. EDIT: An image won't either, but for a different reason. See my next post for explanation.

2) No. A stone is not treated like a hero.

3) No. A stone is not treated like a hero.

4) Yes. Stones are explicitly able to be targeted and affected by attacks. This includes fire breath (even though normally- that is except for attacking it- you can't count spaces through a stone).

3) If a attack including (eg. STUN OR POISON) , was summoned stone still affect with these conditions ?

8 hours ago, Zaltyre said:

1) An image will, a stone won't.

You sure about this ? Image tokens are "treated as heroes" but not actually really are, like familiar could be.

For threat tokens and scenarios' rules, only "true" heroes are affected by thoses, so I would say the same.

@rugal, if Astarra can blink to it and Andira can punish monsters attacking it, why the Reaper ability shouldn't work on the image? Even better, if master Ettin can target an image with Throw, why Wraith can’t?

edcy: Stones, being susceptible to attacks, are susceptible to conditions as a result of attacks (it's the same reason fire breath, blast, or knockback can work on a stone).

I was answering, "no" to howl. Stones are not heroes, and are therefore not targetable by monster abilities like howl.

rugal: Images, like anything (they aren't actually familiars) "treated as a hero" are considered to be heroes for: attacks, hero and monster abilities, and OL cards. Reaper is a monster ability, so it would normally work.

It is correct that for threat tokens, quest rules, and anything not in my above list (attacks, hero/monster abilities, OL cards) only "true" heroes count as heroes.

All that being said, I actually have to correct myself. Even though "Reaper" is a monster ability, it will never work on an image (or a familiar) because those things don't get "knocked out", they only ever get "defeated". ONLY heroes (and very rarely quest specific characters) get "knocked out" so Reaper won't trigger off of anything else.

Regarding shadow soul, no. The soul can explicitly only be placed during an attack which is "not a miss". Missing due to insufficient range is still missing. If the range can be extended so that it is not a miss, then it can be placed.

So,if stealthy or shadow ability(from shadow dragon) cause miss, can the shadow soul be placed?

1 hour ago, edcy said:

So,if stealthy or shadow ability(from shadow dragon) cause miss, can the shadow soul be placed?

From Soul Bound, my bolding, "Use this card when you perform an attack that is not a miss ..."

Is it a miss? Yes. Therefore, no shadow soul for you.

ok , just a misreading on CRRG(1.0)

thx !

Thanks for pointing this out. I guess you refer to this sentence in the CRRG:

Quote

The Shadow Soul affects the attack used to place it. It is placed immediately after resolving the last step of an attack that may cause the attack to miss.

I will try to modify this to make this clearer. Any suggestions?

It is possible that this is just me being an old, stubborn man, but until I see a ruling from FFG to the contrary, I cannot agree with the thought process that the text on the card is somehow a "decision" to be made, and thus not available to an OL that has Dark Charmed the hero. It seems to me that the text references an ability of the weapon, and the OL can utilize it as he sees fit.

1 hour ago, any2cards said:

It is possible that this is just me being an old, stubborn man, but until I see a ruling from FFG to the contrary, I cannot agree with the thought process that the text on the card is somehow a "decision" to be made, and thus not available to an OL that has Dark Charmed the hero . It seems to me that the text references an ability of the weapon, and the OL can utilize it as he sees fit.

Wrong thread?

8 hours ago, Sadgit said:

Thanks for pointing this out. I guess you refer to this sentence in the CRRG:

I will try to modify this to make this clearer. Any suggestions?

The first sentence I think is fine, it's the second sentence that is confusing. My suggestion: " It is placed immediately after resolving the last step of an attack if it was not a miss."

Or possibly: "If the attack was not a miss, it is placed immediately after resolving the last step of the attack."

Sadgit, how about:

As soon as an attack is determined to not resolve as a miss, the shadow soul may be placed. This is usually after the "check range" step, but may be during the "spend surges" step in the case of abilities such as "shadow".

Thanks for your suggestions, guys.

Another question to add here. I read on BBG that only 1 Stone can attack per round. Is this accurate?

2 hours ago, LeeroyPorkins said:

Another question to add here. I read on BBG that only 1 Stone can attack per round. Is this accurate ?

This is correct. By default, stones do not attack. On their activation (being a familiar), all each stone can do is 1 move action. When terracall is exhausted, 1 stone may perform an attack in addition to that move action.

There is not a once-per-turn limit (beyond card exhaustion) on the number of attacks you can do using a stone for range and LOS, however (such as with Molten Fury).

6 hours ago, Zaltyre said:

This is correct. By default, stones do not attack. On their activation (being a familiar), all each stone can do is 1 move action. When terracall is exhausted, 1 stone may perform an attack in addition to that move action.

There is not a once-per-turn limit (beyond card exhaustion) on the number of attacks you can do using a stone for range and LOS, however (such as with Molten Fury).

Thank you. I have a feeling that Class was played wrong when I was the OL