1 minute ago, Sparks Duh said:

Oh god... I got Kempy liking my posts!!! What the hell is this world coming to? lol

YEAH! I've just found so funny to trigger you with Likes to spam your Notification box and then to unlike them back.

16 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

Two things. In the CCG, you slid the card under the peep with the stats showing at the top so that it was easy to read, duh. Why anyone would put it the way you described is beyond me.

And putting them off to the LEFT side is the same exact thing because it is NOT the natural read progression to look at modifiers BEFORE the base stat.

Your argument doesn't hold up, bud.

I don't appreciate the passive aggressiveness.

English is a language that you read top first. Because the design is implied to go to the left and below, naturual reading progression still flows top to bottom. Your eyes are always drawn to the card that is fully exposed. It isn't the most graceful, but it isn't as glaringly unnatural as reading up.

2 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I don't appreciate the passive aggressiveness.

English is a language that you read top first. Because the design is implied to go to the left and below, naturual reading progression still flows top to bottom. Your eyes are always drawn to the card that is fully exposed. It isn't the most graceful, but it isn't as glaringly unnatural as reading up.

Sure, but when you look at the base card, your reading progression would go to the right of that. So the stats should be on the right side of the cards and not the left to back your argument. If you think that was passive aggressive, I feel bad.

Just now, Sparks Duh said:

Sure, but when you look at the base card, your reading progression would go to the left of that. So the stats should be on the right side of the cards and not the left to back your argument. If you think that was passive aggressive, I feel bad.

Like the passive aggression in this post.

My argument wasn't that it was the best (I said that.) Just it was more natural that what you were saying. Possibly the reason to moving to the left is a design choice to emulate Japanese writing (read top to bottom, right to left). I can't speak to the over all design choice, just that it's more natural than what you were saying.

Just now, RandomJC said:

Like the passive aggression in this post.

My argument wasn't that it was the best (I said that.) Just it was more natural that what you were saying. Possibly the reason to moving to the left is a design choice to emulate Japanese writing (read top to bottom, right to left). I can't speak to the over all design choice, just that it's more natural than what you were saying.

I don't think it's any more unnatural or natural than the way FFG is doing it. Top to bottom, left to right, you are still looking at modifiers first, then the base stat last.

3 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

I don't think it's any more unnatural or natural than the way FFG is doing it. Top to bottom, left to right, you are still looking at modifiers first, then the base stat last.

I'll ask this question, when you read a story, do you read the top most thing first, or the left most thing? The attachments are left and down in the examples.

It's a question of where your eye goes first. You aren't trained as a reader to read the left most thing first, your trained to read the highest thing first.

Just now, RandomJC said:

I'll ask this question, when you read a story, do you read the top most thing first, or the left most thing? The attachments are left and down in the examples.

It's a question of where your eye goes first. You aren't trained as a reader to read the left most thing first, your trained to read the highest thing first.

Yup... trained to read from top left and go right. Not top and go down left.

11 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

I don't think it's any more unnatural or natural than the way FFG is doing it. Top to bottom, left to right, you are still looking at modifiers first, then the base stat last.

Oh! But in Rokugan, writing is top-to-bottom, right-to-left ! So clearly this was done to give the cards more of a Rokugani feel!

/facetiousness

I prefer stacking to the left, and always found L5R's upward stacking clunky. Maybe that's because I played Decipher's Lord of the Rings TCG first (great mechanics there, FFG should get the rights to that!), or maybe it's because that's the natural way to hold a hand of cards.

I've always found that the most natural place to start on a card is the art and work outward from there, regardless of direction. Once you've seen a card a couple of times all you really need is a glimpse of the art and you can recall most things about it. Then putting the stats on one of the sides lets you do what FFG is doing and put the name for attachments along the side so that attachments have a easy visual indicator that it is an attachment, as well as letting you read the card's name while it is attached.

I look at it like this...along the top of the card you have room for two "rules elements" plus the name...any more than that and you run the risk of either having to go to a smaller (less-readable) font for the name of the card or frequently having two row names. You could put military and political strength as the top elements, but since not every card has both (or even one) of those, you'd end up with a disparity in how cards are laid out. All cards pretty much have a cost tho, so it makes sense to make that one of the elements. They decided to use the clan mons as the second element (instead of glory), probably to help keep clan identity front and center (or top and right if you want to be specific).

19 minutes ago, GooeyChewie said:

I prefer stacking to the left, and always found L5R's upward stacking clunky. Maybe that's because I played Decipher's Lord of the Rings TCG first (great mechanics there, FFG should get the rights to that!), or maybe it's because that's the natural way to hold a hand of cards.

FFG does have the right to make games based on The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy, and they do so in the co-op LCG. Decipher still has the rights to those mechanics (insofar as anyone can "own" game mechanics).

We pick the most inane things to argue about.

That being said, Sparks is right, given that argument of design.

7 hours ago, kempy said:

As someone mentioned at our forum, it just will look silly when you notice some 30+ years guys (and majority of CCG players reached this point) that use these silly PINK tokens on cards with childish PINK numbers. I think that Fate tokens will be replaced first with new acrylic ones.

Everyone thought the dice for Destiny looks big and clunky and childish when they first saw them too. Pretty sure it'll be fine.

And is your group really so insecure that they think pink tokens will make them look un-manly??

1 hour ago, GooeyChewie said:

or maybe it's because that's the natural way to hold a hand of cards.

And it would be the same if the stats were on the right side of the cards.

50 minutes ago, Kakita Shiro said:

FFG does have the right to make games based on The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings trilogy, and they do so in the co-op LCG. Decipher still has the rights to those mechanics (insofar as anyone can "own" game mechanics).

Just a small clarification: I believe they have the right to make games based on the books . If they wanted to actually reprint/continue Decipher's game, they would also need to acquire rights to use material from the movies.

3 minutes ago, Sparks Duh said:

And it would be the same if the stats were on the right side of the cards.

I may be wrong, but it's far less common to hold cards with the showing care on the left rather than right.

2 minutes ago, RandomJC said:

I may be wrong, but it's far less common to hold cards with the showing care on the left rather than right.

It's probably about 90% less common (the ratio of left handed people to right handed people).

Now that we've gotten past the graphic design of the cards, obviously we need to discuss the paper selection for the cards. Hopefully they will be using traditional washi paper for the cards?

Just now, rzlittle said:

It's probably about 90% less common (the ratio of left handed people to right handed people).

Point.

Given the layout for the personalities, I think it makes sense for attachments to be placed to the left rather than on top. With the old layout with Force and Chi stats on the top left and right corners of the card it made sense for attachments to keep the same format and to show above the personality. Looking at the new design of the cards, the banner has military and political stacked. To have the same layout for attachments and have the attachments placed above the personality you would have about 1/3 of the card showing underneath (as that is about how long the banner is).

I guess you could argue for redesigning the layout for the personalities but as they are now I personally think this is the best way to display the attachments.

6 minutes ago, rzlittle said:

It's probably about 90% less common (the ratio of left handed people to right handed people).

I'd say the stats are off. But there's really no point in arguing this to the ground so whatever.

Like I said, I like the layout of the cards. Nothing bothers me in that regards.

2 minutes ago, hidasaurus said:

Given the layout for the personalities, I think it makes sense for attachments to be placed to the left rather than on top. With the old layout with Force and Chi stats on the top left and right corners of the card it made sense for attachments to keep the same format and to show above the personality. Looking at the new design of the cards, the banner has military and political stacked. To have the same layout for attachments and have the attachments placed above the personality you would have about 1/3 of the card showing underneath (as that is about how long the banner is).

I guess you could argue for redesigning the layout for the personalities but as they are now I personally think this is the best way to display the attachments.

OMG!

28 minutes ago, Buhallin said:

And is your group really so insecure that they think pink tokens will make them look un-manly??

I've seen that complaint a few times when it comes to the sakura ( not lotus ) Fate symbol and tokens.

I remember the scene in The Last Samurai when Katsumoto said "The perfect blossom is a rare thing. You could spend your life looking for one, and it would not be a wasted life." while looking at sakura.

If a flower token is off putting to someone, perhaps a samurai card game is not the right fit for them.