On 7/24/2017 at 6:15 AM, Cold Iron1 said:

I hope the name selling stays a thing. It always had some interesting effects. If I remember correctly a Lion guy sold his name to a oni but he was so honorable that it purified the oni. I think it ended up as a guard for the kami or something.

That isn't quite what happened. The oni in question, Oni no Okura, started out as your typical evil oni. It was dedication from some lion players (most notably, Dan Tibbles) that had the oni become a samurai and learn the concept of honor.

Edit: Upon researching it, I'm not sure that was true. All 3 of these cards came out within 1 year of each other which seems like not enough time for any player interference to have much impact, so I might have been remembering something else.

See her progression below!

Though they should flip it around. Oni no Okura literally means "Oni's Okura," when "Okura's Oni" makes more sense in the context of name-offering.

Wrong thread.

3 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

Though they should flip it around. Oni no Okura literally means "Oni's Okura," when "Okura's Oni" makes more sense in the context of name-offering.

That was spotted and flipped around with later oni, although the 4 original oni (the Oni Lords) were retconned into being ones who overpowered their summoner, and thus no considered the human their slave. Oni no Akuma was the Oni who was the owner of Akuma.

17 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

That was spotted and flipped around with later oni, although the 4 original oni (the Oni Lords) were retconned into being ones who overpowered their summoner, and thus no considered the human their slave. Oni no Akuma was the Oni who was the owner of Akuma.

But even then, shouldn't "Oni no Akuma" refer to the human slave, rather than the oni master?

7 minutes ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

But even then, shouldn't "Oni no Akuma" refer to the human slave, rather than the oni master?

I didn't say it was a perfect retcon.

7 hours ago, Ide Yoshiya said:

But even then, shouldn't "Oni no Akuma" refer to the human slave, rather than the oni master?

Yes, it should. The closest you can come to making "Oni no Akuma" make sense is to treat "Oni" as a descriptor, rather than a possessive: it's the Akuma who is an Oni, as opposed to the Akuma who is not.

They changed it later.

11 hours ago, Kinzen said:

Yes, it should. The closest you can come to making "Oni no Akuma" make sense is to treat "Oni" as a descriptor, rather than a possessive: it's the Akuma who is an Oni, as opposed to the Akuma who is not.

As you may know, the Japanese name for Winnie the Pooh is "Kuma no Puu-san" or basically "Pooh the Bear." If we wanted to make a children's story about an oni and the kind Isawa boy that gave that oni a name, we could call it "Oni no Akuma" to mean "Akuma the Oni."

On 7/26/2017 at 9:57 AM, Yogo Gohei said:

That isn't quite what happened. The oni in question, Oni no Okura, started out as your typical evil oni. It was dedication from some lion players (most notably, Dan Tibbles) that had the oni become a samurai and learn the concept of honor.

Edit: Upon researching it, I'm not sure that was true. All 3 of these cards came out within 1 year of each other which seems like not enough time for any player interference to have much impact, so I might have been remembering something else.

See her progression below!

I believe the gradual slide into honor was due to a couple things. First, there was supposed to be a Kitsu Okura Exp as a story reward, and it made it far enough that the Herald referenced it at one point, but it never saw print.

Second, Lion in this arc got screwed hard. Out of the gates, they had fewer cards. They won Test of Jade corrupt (spawning the Oni, whom nobody looked askance at Okura over, because reasons), and won (pure) another tournament to decide who had an oni in one of their provinces. These events resulted in a Lion's stronghold favoring outright corruption and an event in the same expansion which basically made Lion lose 8 honor because Lion.

Essentially, design woke up one day and realized that as story prizes for winning Day of Thunder, Test of Jade, and Oni Fortress, Lion won a bright, shiny shaft.

Okura's purification was the least they could do.