Hi all.

I have been running an Obi-Wan deck on TTS , some success , but mostly fail.

Any ideas ?

Sets: From Awakenings to Spirit of Rebellion

BATTLEFIELD
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Otoh Gunga, Naboo (Spirit of Rebellion #157)

CHARACTER
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1x Temmin "Snap" Wexley, Recon Specialist (Spirit of Rebellion #29)
2x Obi-Wan Kenobi, Mysterious Hermit (Spirit of Rebellion #37)

UPGRADE
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2x One With The Force (Awakenings #42)
2x Force Throw (Awakenings #57)
2x Force Speed (Spirit of Rebellion #55)
2x Makashi Training (Spirit of Rebellion #56)
2x Vibroknife (Spirit of Rebellion #57)

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EVENT
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2x Defensive Stance (Awakenings #115)
2x Willpower (Awakenings #122)
2x Deflect (Awakenings #145)
2x Dodge (Awakenings #155)
2x Destiny (Spirit of Rebellion #101)
2x Guard (Spirit of Rebellion #103)
2x My Ally Is The Force (Spirit of Rebellion #105)
2x High Ground (Spirit of Rebellion #128)
2x Overconfidence (Spirit of Rebellion #130)
2x Rejuvinate (Spirit of Rebellion #132)

I don't know how much snap gives you in the deck, and split damage never sits well with me, so I'd try swapping him out for Rey, and see if you can get away with mono blue. More consistent damage, and makes more use of obi-Wans ability when he dies. Plus ambush vibroknives on Rey will be great fun. I'd potentially try and put some control cards in there, deflect + dodge I don't think is always necessary, so ditching dodge and putting in something like force misdirection would potentially be more consistently used. Also heroism might actually be useful with obi-wan, I know he's already got guardian, but most of his cost is poured into that free card when he dies, try and utilise it as much as possible.

Just my 2c, things to ponder

I agree about using Rey. Some of the upgrade and event choices you should still play around with. There are many choices now with SOR coming out. I still think It binds all things is a great card. R2D2 looks interesting.

I've been running him with Rey and having mixed results. You get the bonus of extra actions, but Obi-Wan seems counter-intuitive with high speed since you want to make use of his guardian ability. His ability is very powerful, but also extremely situational since if my opponent is smart they go after Rey first to avoid him.

Guardian and shields seem to mean much less with the multiple action-cheating and vibro-knife out there that really makes Obi less effective considering his extraordinarily high squad cost. I have tried him with a rebel-commando and ackbar, but it just doesn't seem to matter even when you roll perfectly. There is nothing Obi offers that you cannot get with lower costed characters besides a one-off gimmick that I use efficiently one out of ten games I play.

I see Obi being a better character if they ever up the max squad points available, or add a way to guard dice before they roll? I'll keep messing around with him, but as it stands with Rey getting killed off by early round 2, he is very counter where the meta is going (more efficient, resolve dice quickly, unmitigated burst damage).

4 hours ago, Keithandor said:

Any ideas ?

Wait for young obi wan to come out in a few sets. Hope he's not utterly useless.

1 hour ago, Virtigo said:

I've been running him with Rey and having mixed results. You get the bonus of extra actions, but Obi-Wan seems counter-intuitive with high speed since you want to make use of his guardian ability. His ability is very powerful, but also extremely situational since if my opponent is smart they go after Rey first to avoid him.

Guardian and shields seem to mean much less with the multiple action-cheating and vibro-knife out there that really makes Obi less effective considering his extraordinarily high squad cost. I have tried him with a rebel-commando and ackbar, but it just doesn't seem to matter even when you roll perfectly. There is nothing Obi offers that you cannot get with lower costed characters besides a one-off gimmick that I use efficiently one out of ten games I play.

I see Obi being a better character if they ever up the max squad points available, or add a way to guard dice before they roll? I'll keep messing around with him, but as it stands with Rey getting killed off by early round 2, he is very counter where the meta is going (more efficient, resolve dice quickly, unmitigated burst damage).

Yeah I tried the whole guarding and shield thing, not with Obi though, and it was slow and just flat out not effective. Dice control and agro is so powerful, guardian and shields just doesn't keep up. It's one of those, if you get bored and stupid, game mechanics.

Young Obi wan better be good, or there will be a lot disappointment playing a Star Wars game with out one of it's most beloved characters. Perhaps old Obi will get better but it is not good now. I remember the Decipher Star Wars CCG premier set and it was done right.

Are people playing Obi-Wan Elite or normal? I haven't tried him, but theorycrafting:

For me, if I was making an Elite deck, I'd aim for Maz, and try to abuse the Cargo Hold/Second Chance combo. That's the only thing I can really see eObi doing better than Luke at this stage.

But, I don't think he's designed to be Elite. I think he's designed to be played one dice. Lots of focus to make good use of great Blue upgrades and guardian to keep his partner alive longer, while still having that 3 damage side to dish out some damage late game. I think the real issue here is that Rey is currently his only viable partner - not that she's bad, but she forces you into a pretty specific deck.

7 hours ago, Virtigo said:

I've been running him with Rey and having mixed results. You get the bonus of extra actions, but Obi-Wan seems counter-intuitive with high speed since you want to make use of his guardian ability. His ability is very powerful, but also extremely situational since if my opponent is smart they go after Rey first to avoid him.

Guardian and shields seem to mean much less with the multiple action-cheating and vibro-knife out there that really makes Obi less effective considering his extraordinarily high squad cost. I have tried him with a rebel-commando and ackbar, but it just doesn't seem to matter even when you roll perfectly. There is nothing Obi offers that you cannot get with lower costed characters besides a one-off gimmick that I use efficiently one out of ten games I play.

I see Obi being a better character if they ever up the max squad points available, or add a way to guard dice before they roll? I'll keep messing around with him, but as it stands with Rey getting killed off by early round 2, he is very counter where the meta is going (more efficient, resolve dice quickly, unmitigated burst damage).

Wow you are in a Meta where REY and good uniques get killed second round? This game is nuts and I have a lot to learn. We play at home and don't lose people for 3 or 4 rounds.

Just now, DJRAZZ said:

Wow you are in a Meta where REY and good uniques get killed second round? This game is nuts and I have a lot to learn. We play at home and don't lose people for 3 or 4 rounds.

No seriously. Had Rey killed off by FN and another time by Aurra Round One! Poe with either maz/rey can end the game easily by round 2.

People are going to be giving up within the first five minutes of the game against the right deck. SoR is truly going to make for some fast tournaments.

13 hours ago, DJRAZZ said:

Wow you are in a Meta where REY and good uniques get killed second round? This game is nuts and I have a lot to learn. We play at home and don't lose people for 3 or 4 rounds.

We're the real winners here bro. Home games mean much more is viable, since we aren't min/maxing and theorycrafting to the sky. Good times!

I agree that Obi-Wan is meant to be one die with this version. Tho ill give him a shot with Ackbar. See if his 1/2 focus sides help a bit more on Ackbar.

He should have been 15/20 tho. At least then you could have ran him with single Luke or eChirrut. At this pt....16 just doesnt sit well with me.

~D

18 hours ago, DJRAZZ said:

Wow you are in a Meta where REY and good uniques get killed second round? This game is nuts and I have a lot to learn. We play at home and don't lose people for 3 or 4 rounds.

Don't get too frazzled. Home play is the best, and my long term goal. I have a nice FLGS that's small and not overly competitive, but I'm moving late summer, so my plan is to bail out after Empire at war competitive wise, and just enoy my solid standalone for fun collection

This will be tough if the game gets this fast. So basically my awakenings collection will be just that, a collection to enjoy in my binder. Meta deck will have to be played or most will just lose. This could get as bad as Yugioh.

I've had some success with Obi-wan and Maz. Using her ability to focus a die and then resolve it in the same action

I know this is on a smaller scale than your question, but I just realized how cool Willpower is with Obi-Wan. When you activate Obi-Wan and he is one or two health from dead, you use guardian to pull damage on to him, defeating him and triggering willpower, which then rescues him and keeps him alive!

1 hour ago, Kieransi said:

I know this is on a smaller scale than your question, but I just realized how cool Willpower is with Obi-Wan. When you activate Obi-Wan and he is one or two health from dead, you use guardian to pull damage on to him, defeating him and triggering willpower, which then rescues him and keeps him alive!

You can use Willpower, but I believe since his defeat triggered the action, he still dies afterward.

1 hour ago, Virtigo said:

You can use Willpower, but I believe since his defeat triggered the action, he still dies afterward.

Well, his ability is like Second Chance.

It is very significant that it says "before this character is defeated", not "after this character is defeated. The steps resolve in the order

1. Opponent deals damage equaling Obi-Wan's health.

2. It is now "before" Obi-Wan is defeated.

3. Obi-Wan's ability triggers

4. The ability from the card Obi-Wan used resolves

5. Now, and only now, is Obi-Wan actually "defeated"

Obi-wan's design is odd, and i think designed to make another character a boss for the end game. But with him being so expensive, what are the options? Snap cannot carry an end game. I dont know if Old Ben Kenobe can be viable yet. I would think trying him with rey is the best option.

I believe we went through the whole Obi Wan/willpower thing already.

The only things I have thought of for Obi-wan is either Obi-wan/ Rey combo building up Rey or some form of "mil deck" idea with Padme, Ackbar, or Snap Wexley. All-in-all Seems like Rey may just be the best character for elite him right now since she can be built up while he tries to keep her alive, I think its a deck that wants very much to play One with the Force. (the mill idea's with ackbar and Snap, or even Rebel commando now that I think about it come from "spy net" allowing obi-wans Focus sides to both be reliable turn cards and Mil side at the same time. Looking at it the commando looks solid for this as well he brings 2 damage sides a discard side and 1/6 chance at rolling an electro shock. Can roll the commando out get the board set up, the idea seems like a good one for a slower deck. Hell 3PO would allow the Commando to resolve the special with out paying for it if he hit one of the other sides..... The more I am looking at this the more I am thinking some one should try this combination out, both as a possible mill deck option and more likely as just a damage option. Battle field idea's include Otah gunga, Cargo Hold, Docking Bay, Imperial Armory, Depending on how you build the deck

On 4/26/2017 at 10:04 PM, Kieransi said:

Well, his ability is like Second Chance.

It is very significant that it says "before this character is defeated", not "after this character is defeated. The steps resolve in the order

1. Opponent deals damage equaling Obi-Wan's health.

2. It is now "before" Obi-Wan is defeated.

3. Obi-Wan's ability triggers

4. The ability from the card Obi-Wan used resolves

5. Now, and only now, is Obi-Wan actually "defeated"

Nope, he dies - you can move the damage, but he still dies.

Can you play "one with the force " on him before he dies , then one with the force becomes a support ?

10 minutes ago, Keithandor said:

Can you play "one with the force " on him before he dies , then one with the force becomes a support ?

Yes, you can

Currently, that's the thematic dream!