Hi,

I just wanted to bring some positivity into the forum, by claiming that at the moment with SoR almost anything is viable. I have been playing on TTS a lot recently and I have seen good mill decks, aggro, the beginning of control that works, swarm decks, Palpatine decks. It is not like the beginning of Awekenings where there was Jango everywhere. I have seen cards played, that I had forgotten existed, because before SoR they made no sense.

tl;dr congratulations to the designers of the game.

This will be a good game in December. In a couple of months the meta will shake out to there being a handful of tier 1 decks everyone will be playing. Still better than what we had with only Awakenings.

It will be interesting to see if any Awakenings cards remain staples or if they will just get out classed. Unlike MTG I don't see any truly broken cards in Awakenings other than Sith holocron.

Rey will remain a staple in decks until they print better costed heroes.

I think Hold-out, Sith Holocron, Force Choke will not go anywhere for the life of the game unless a silver bullet gets printed to make them useless. Cunning seems to get better every set.

From my plays, I see a lot of the control cards changing over. The slow, one die removal per action control cards just aren't doing it anymore. I even find Electroshock's usefulness being in question some games. Just don't have as many windows to remove that all-important natural damage die that you did in Awakenings.

14 minutes ago, DJRAZZ said:

I don't see any truly broken cards in Awakenings other than Sith holocron.

Sith Holocron is not broken. Far from it.

Effective? Yes. Not broken.

There is a lot of cards from Awakening that I don't see going anywhere anytime soon.

'It Binds all things' is still a great support that helps your economy; 'Force Throw' is still one of the best blue upgrade from the game; I think that 'Crime Lord' will see more play since there seems to be more way to make money; 'Thermal Detonator' with Poe or FN, and Sabine in set 3; just to name a few.

I like where the game is going.

it's good to hear

I'm pleased to see what's in the new set.

I am noticing that in Destiny there was a "toolbox" approach to deck building. You had maybe 35-45 cards to pick from and you took about 24-28 of them without thought because that was the best choices from what you had. As we gained more cards there are now 50+ cards that can go into a deck, which makes deck building rich with choice.

I find myself taking two characters and going through the cards (using SWdestinydb) and end up with 46-50 cards in my deck, I then take out about 10-16 fairly easily, but end up with about 2-4 cards that I am in agony over removing. Then with play testing some of the cards will not work and some of those will be put into the deck, and the deck will make several small iterations of design.

I also think that as SoR doubles the numbers of cards, it will be the set that provides the biggest effect on deck building. Given that it looks like we'll have 7-8 month wait for the next set, having more choices will ensure that we don't hit tipping point in the lack of variety of decks that (for me) is just starting to creep in, if I play Jango one more time. Mind you that could be, that I am just looking forwards to the new set and wanting to play with it sooner than later.

@Amanal The next set, Empire at War, was stated as coming this fall. The core set will come this December. FFG's ambitions is to have 3 sets a year, with one being a core set. SoR was late by one month, presumingly due to them increasing the print run, opening a second factory. No word on when Empire at War will be released but if they stick to their schedule then sometime in September, which probably means October.

@Mep not really the take away from my post I wanted. Happy to be corrected as to the dates though.

@Amanal I agree a doubling of cards is huge for the game. I just find myself being most interested in this game come this December when we will get yet another doubling due to Empire at War and the first Core set. I feel at that time this game will have enough cards for the decks to really be different and interesting. SoR will really get this game out of being stagnant.

I wish we knew what a core set would be, I am not too sure it will be made up of any new cards but rather a set of old cards that have been staples in deck building. So a player coming along in 2018 can get the cards from the 2017 sets and not have to wade through 3 releases to get many of the cards we'll take for granted having bought them as they came out. I am just speculating and could very easily be wrong.

I am also quite hopeful that the starter decks are 30 cards, perhaps based on the winners deck at Worlds and the next highest placed player of the other faction (Villains).

So I expect that we'll end up with 520-530 unique cards by end of year, again, could be wrong. But that will put the game in a great spot for players.

What will improve the game IMHO is the characters, as we add more their points values start to make more combinations that work. Which only add more variety to the most basic of decisions we each make, but affects the deck builds more than anything else: What characters we use.

hopefully the core set will have unique cards, which I assume it will or how else would they sell cards to old customers.

Originally they stated 3 new sets a year, which would have all new cards. They changed that to 2 sets a year with new cards and a core set in print all year. They really did not define what a core set is. They start development a year in advance of the release, so by the time they announced the core set they should have had set 4, now the core set, well into development. So one would think there are at least some new cards in the core set. It would not surprise me at all if there were reprints, if not this year, then in the following years. I personally don't see them doing reprints this soon.

Having them October/December then will cause wallet death and wife divorce.

2 hours ago, soviet prince said:

hopefully the core set will have unique cards, which I assume it will or how else would they sell cards to old customers.

Yes I guess the core could be good for gamers who wanna collect a bit more. Some crazy collectors may buy it because that have to have it all. It will be good for newcomers to enter the game. I like to collect and play so hopefully I can skip the core to save some money.

If the core set was all alternate art for previously printed cards I think everyone would buy I know I would

By "core set", I think they mean two brand new starter sets, and a new set of boooster packs, like we saw at the initial release.

So, for example, I think what we know about Episode 8 is that there's gonna be more Snoke in that movie, and we all saw the photo of Prince Harry in an A-Wing. So in December, we'll be seeing a Prince Harry starter set, a Snoke starter set, and a set of "Spirit of let's try to make a bigger, better version of the Empire Strikes Back, but this time with another Death Star blowing up at the end" booster packs.

Every year, I'll be buying about 6 boxes of booster packs (2 from each wave) and 4 starter sets (2 of each). They've got a pretty good racket going!

There is some speculation as to whether a "core" set will contain cards from older sets. I suspect we won't get a real answer as to what it means until 2018.

I just have a strong gut feeling that FFG will never print new versions of old cards. There's a little bit of what's been discussed here covered in the last 3 paragraphs of this article:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/2/28/there-has-been-an-awakening-1/

12 hours ago, Amanal said:

I wish we knew what a core set would be, I am not too sure it will be made up of any new cards but rather a set of old cards that have been staples in deck building.

This is FFG we are talking about here. I am sure that the new core sets will contain reprints of 28 existing cards and a single copy of 2 new cards requiring those of us that have been following the game all along will need to buy 2 copies of these "new core sets" just to get our hands on a full playset of 2 new cards...

5 minutes ago, pstalker said:

This is FFG we are talking about here. I am sure that the new core sets will contain reprints of 28 existing cards and a single copy of 2 new cards requiring those of us that have been following the game all along will need to buy 2 copies of these "new core sets" just to get our hands on a full playset of 2 new cards...

From what I know from FFG and my experience with X-Wing, the problem is more that uncontrolled power creep will mean that ALL the cards in the new set will be better than your Sith Holocrons and Holdout Blasters that you fought so hard for, and every noob who walks into the store and picks up a new core set and then reads about the metagame on this forum will be able to trounce you.

I don't mind new players - I was one once myself - but power creep is present in most FFG titles, and really punishes the loyal customers and rewards the new players.

But the good news - I bet they're all new cards!

I really didn't gleen much concerning what type of cards will be in the set from FFG's statement about base sets, other than it sounds like they intend to replace starters once a year:

" After the third expansion set, at the end of the year, we will release a base set for Star Wars : Destiny. Base sets for Destiny will consist of two new starter decks (which will replace the current Kylo Ren and Rey starter decks) and a set of booster packs. This base set will provide an easy entry point for new players, while providing a foundational set to build from. The base set will remain in print for one year, at which time, a new base set will be released."

I wouldn't be opposed to being able to get additional force throw and mind probe cards in different sets with different characters. However, the last thing we need are more Rey's staff and BB-8s.

Yeah, I think it says that the decks replace the Rey and Kylo decks , so they'll be all new cards. All the cards in the Rey and Kylo starters were cards from Awakenings, so the new starters will probably be all cards from the wave they're released alongside.