I payed a bit more buying on line. I could have bought about 4 boxes. But I skipped the fluff, so I guess that is OK. Well it was the only way. Even TC saga sets were out. The only issue is I have nothing to trade. If I can I would like to just buy a couple of boxes of SOR. More fun that way.

15 hours ago, Mep said:

@Buhallin I noticed the starter decks just setting around and collecting dust too. Seems everyone has all of those that they need. The supply of Awakening may have only been around 20% short of what it needed to be. Though those starter decks are on their 3rd printing now. This whole shipping in waves thing may just be FFG's way of keeping the supply artificially low to drive sales.

Well, it's tough to have both ways. If there's anything that has to be on shelves, it would be starters. If they end up printing enough that SWD: SoR stays on shelves for awhile, too, then that's not a bad thing either since that doesn't necessarily mean the game isn't growing.

3 hours ago, AlexW said:

Well, it's tough to have both ways. If there's anything that has to be on shelves, it would be starters. If they end up printing enough that SWD: SoR stays on shelves for awhile, too, then that's not a bad thing either since that doesn't necessarily mean the game isn't growing.

Certainly - I'll grant that it's a bit of a contradiction, since the whole point of the supply concerns is "There should be something left on shelves".

But I'm not sure there should be things left on the shelves YET. Given the pretty massive shortfall in Awakenings, and the number of people who wanted the game but couldn't get it, shouldn't all those people be snatching up what they can get?

9 hours ago, Buhallin said:

I really wish people would stop using this as an example. Magic launched in a completely different environment, as a completely new style of game. Yes, it had ugly supply issues, but they were resolved before many people even heard of the game. If you tried to launch Magic today, I suspect it would fail rather dramatically, ironically largely because of the environment it created.

The point I'm trying to make is not strictly "Supply issues will kill the game". It's that history has shown that CCGs are terribly fragile things. ANYTHING can kill one, and every misstep makes that more likely. And you're probably right that we won't know for a while, but again, the trajectory on CCGs is about 95% downwards.

Actually Magic had supply issues well into 3rd ed when it was very popular. What almost killed magic was Homelands, a dismal set, and then they fallowed it up with nothing for nearly a year. What made magic successful was it was fundamentally a good game and had new expansions every few months when it started out. Magic continues to come out with a new sku every month or so. There is always something new to get interested in, tons of play support and of course that huge library of cards.

The reality is between table top simulator, available starters and tons of cards in the secondary market, supply isn't the problem. People got bored with Destiny not because they couldn't buy a card, they can, but because there are only so many cards to buy. FFG's biggest mistake was not getting SoR out sooner rather than delaying it. They needed to have what supply of SoR was made on the boat in January, had wide spread prerelease events in March and whatever supply ready to go for release of wave 1 early to mid April and just keep shipping product over as they came off the line.

The real problem is all the people bitching and moaning about the boosters selling out, a strong secondary market will always see to that, and FFG reacting to that bitching and moaning. What FFG needs to focus on is a new sku every month and play support. 5 skus a year and quarterly tournament kits won't cut it.

The hopeful thing is they plan on three new sets and 2 new starters over the next 8 months. Things should look good in December but if they follow that up with just 5 skus the following year with minimal play support, then yeah, this game isn't going to do well at all and it has nothing to do with supply.

6 hours ago, Mep said:

Actually Magic had supply issues well into 3rd ed when it was very popular. What almost killed magic was Homelands, a dismal set, and then they fallowed it up with nothing for nearly a year. What made magic successful was it was fundamentally a good game and had new expansions every few months when it started out. Magic continues to come out with a new sku every month or so. There is always something new to get interested in, tons of play support and of course that huge library of cards.

The reality is between table top simulator, available starters and tons of cards in the secondary market, supply isn't the problem. People got bored with Destiny not because they couldn't buy a card, they can, but because there are only so many cards to buy. FFG's biggest mistake was not getting SoR out sooner rather than delaying it. They needed to have what supply of SoR was made on the boat in January, had wide spread prerelease events in March and whatever supply ready to go for release of wave 1 early to mid April and just keep shipping product over as they came off the line.

The real problem is all the people ******* and moaning about the boosters selling out, a strong secondary market will always see to that, and FFG reacting to that ******* and moaning. What FFG needs to focus on is a new sku every month and play support. 5 skus a year and quarterly tournament kits won't cut it.

The hopeful thing is they plan on three new sets and 2 new starters over the next 8 months. Things should look good in December but if they follow that up with just 5 skus the following year with minimal play support, then yeah, this game isn't going to do well at all and it has nothing to do with supply.

set 3 is still in the beginning stages of the game and supply is a problem you can't play with no cards and everyone don't buy singles online but stick to buying packs and hoping to pull something good.

On Wed Apr 26 2017 at 3:56 AM, soviet prince said:

maybe how ever other business manages to fulfill preorders??

So...

#1 you admit to not having an idea at all on this bc you answered my question with another question.

#2 by comparing Destiny to all other CCGs you simply lack the basic understanding of how businesses work.

You sound like you work for the shoe department at Under Armor. "Oh we will just do what Nike and Adidas do and slap a famous basketball players name on our shoe. We wont bother understanding our product sucks due to looks, variety, and to face it, they just arent comfortable. Oh we lost $700 million this past quarter? Howd that happen, we just did it how other businesses do it. Right? Isnt that how this works? Soviet Prince seems to think thats the answer..."

Man, you make it sooooo easy!

~D

2 hours ago, HoodieDM said:

So...

#1 you admit to not having an idea at all on this bc you answered my question with another question.

#2 by comparing Destiny to all other CCGs you simply lack the basic understanding of how businesses work.

You sound like you work for the shoe department at Under Armor. "Oh we will just do what Nike and Adidas do and slap a famous basketball players name on our shoe. We wont bother understanding our product sucks due to looks, variety, and to face it, they just arent comfortable. Oh we lost $700 million this past quarter? Howd that happen, we just did it how other businesses do it. Right? Isnt that how this works? Soviet Prince seems to think thats the answer..."

Man, you make it sooooo easy!

~D

how is not having enough product a good business decision? It's a good thing to copy things from similar business that are done right with improving on things they do wrong. you sure show your lack of knowledge by ignoring the question.

So here's some news from MM:

3 hours ago, Hujoe Bigs said:

So here's some news from MM:

Dear _____, We have some good news! Two weeks ago we emailed you in reference to a limited supply of Star Wars Destiny Spirit of Rebellion product. Our supplier was able to give us a few extra displays and we can now fill your order in the initial wave (next week). We will not be preselling anymore Star Wars Destiny in the future so please sign up for back in stock notifications if you wish to order additional displays / packs. Thank You, Customer Service Miniature Market Between this and my local store getting more and opening pre orders again.... Soviet won't have anything to complain about!

Wanna bet?

On 2017-04-26 at 1:24 PM, Buhallin said:

Certainly - I'll grant that it's a bit of a contradiction, since the whole point of the supply concerns is "There should be something left on shelves".

But I'm not sure there should be things left on the shelves YET. Given the pretty massive shortfall in Awakenings, and the number of people who wanted the game but couldn't get it, shouldn't all those people be snatching up what they can get?

Is it possible all those shortages weren't as bad as people on here were making it out to be. Haha

Anecdote - my FLGS pre ordered twelve boxes - the are only being sent four, with no notification of when the remaining eight will be available.

I am a little curious how much some of these places ordered the first time and how much this time. If you go from two boxes to twelve, it would not be surprising that all are not filled in wave one. Just have to wait out the month and a few shipping waves to see how it pans out.

So is it just online retailers and FLGS' in the US that are having issues? As I have seen no issues at all here in the UK, everyone I know has gotten what they've pre-ordered and most if not all stores got all of their stock they ordered.

There seems to be a handful of distributors that either didn't get product or are hoarding it causing the problems for a few game stores. Otherwise, plenty of product. SP is so busy opening up busters he forgot to complain on the forums about there being nothing to buy.

54 minutes ago, Mep said:

There seems to be a handful of distributors that either didn't get product or are hoarding it causing the problems for a few game stores.

I assume you've compiled a list of game stores having issues, and the distributors which supply them? I'd love to see the breakdown here.

Yeah, not that bored but you can have fun doing that.

11 minutes ago, Mep said:

Yeah, not that bored but you can have fun doing that.

And yet you continue to make claim after claim about what's going on.

I actually have a confession to make - I actually knew you hadn't done any real analysis on this. Shocking, I know! But it was a fun way to demonstrate that you're basically making up everything you say on this. You've latched onto a few reports of shops getting a good supply without knowing where they are, how much most of them ordered, what the demand for the game is, or which distributors they're using. You certainly haven't taken it a step farther back to determine if your claims of distributor hoarding have even a shred of validity.

You are, in short, talking out your ***. It would be nice if you'd stop, but I don't actually have high hopes. "Based on reality" doesn't seem to be high on your list of criteria.

oh no i voiced the truth a little above, there is no excuse for them to not at the very least have enough to cover all preorders.

7 hours ago, Buhallin said:

And yet you continue to make claim after claim about what's going on.

I actually have a confession to make - I actually knew you hadn't done any real analysis on this. Shocking, I know! But it was a fun way to demonstrate that you're basically making up everything you say on this. You've latched onto a few reports of shops getting a good supply without knowing where they are, how much most of them ordered, what the demand for the game is, or which distributors they're using. You certainly haven't taken it a step farther back to determine if your claims of distributor hoarding have even a shred of validity.

You are, in short, talking out your ***. It would be nice if you'd stop, but I don't actually have high hopes. "Based on reality" doesn't seem to be high on your list of criteria.

If you understood how the industry works, you would understand better what I am talking about. Instead you want to use this as an opportunity to make yourself feel big. Go right ahead.

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2017 at 6:47 PM, Buhallin said:

And yet you continue to make claim after claim about what's going on.

I actually have a confession to make - I actually knew you hadn't done any real analysis on this. Shocking, I know! But it was a fun way to demonstrate that you're basically making up everything you say on this. You've latched onto a few reports of shops getting a good supply without knowing where they are, how much most of them ordered, what the demand for the game is, or which distributors they're using. You certainly haven't taken it a step farther back to determine if your claims of distributor hoarding have even a shred of validity.

You are, in short, talking out your ***. It would be nice if you'd stop, but I don't actually have high hopes. "Based on reality" doesn't seem to be high on your list of criteria.

all I know is, my job takes me every place. 3 states 7 game stores I stopped at and the all had SoR on display and for sale at msrp. one also had FF opous 1 for 10 bucks a pack. just be greatfull your not a FF TCG guy