If I'm understanding everything correctly I don't think the following resolution will work. Maybe the answer is straightforward by my mind is boggled atm.

Scenario 1 - I'm planning a 'green' maneuver with a ship with Pattern analyser and PTL. The idea is to use the PTL 'double' action without ending up with a stress token.

During my turn I decide to change my mind and use Inertial dampeners instead. Since this will result in a 'white maneuver' I end up with a stress token which means I can't use PTL eventhough I have Pattern analyser to use.

Scenario 2 - I'm plannig for a 'green' maneuver on a stressed ship but during the activation phase I decide to use my inertial dampeners. I think I end up with 2 stress tokens on my ship.

When I read the rulesbook ships recover from stress by executing a 'green' maneuver (i.e. when I move and place my ship at the end of the 'green' maneuver template).

Intertial dampeners replaces the 'green' with a 'white' maneuver so will not clear the stress and let me receive another stress instead.

1: Correct. You can use Pattern Analyser + PTL to do two actions and clear the stress after your action. You can also use it to do a red and GAIN the stress after your action.

2: IDs and PA don't interact. With IDs normally the sequence would be Reveal dial triggering IDs, execute manoeuvre (0 stop), check pilot stress, clean up, gain stress from IDs, no action, as stressed. With IDs plus PA it would be Reveal dial triggering IDs, execute manoeuvre (0 stop), clean up, gain stress from IDs, no action, as stressed, check pilot stress.

Neither lets you do an action unless you can do actions whilst stressed.

4 minutes ago, thespaceinvader said:

You can also use it to do a red and GAIN the stress after your action.

I didn't think about this so thx.

I hate to bring the thread necromancy, but I’m not convinced on the pattern analyzer and inertial dampeners nteraction. The newest FAQ states:

Abilities that trigger after a ship executes a maneuver still occur after the “Clean Up” step.

Wouldn’t this mythical “Clean Up” step be where ID gives you the stress?

8 hours ago, AEIllingworth said:

I hate to bring the thread necromancy, but I’m not convinced on the pattern analyzer and inertial dampeners nteraction. The newest FAQ states:

Abilities that trigger after a ship executes a maneuver still occur after the “Clean Up” step.

Wouldn’t this mythical “Clean Up” step be where ID gives you the stress?

There’s nothing mythical about the “Clean Up” step. It’s in the Rules Reference on page 4. That being said, your skepticism in this card interraction is valid.

In this case I would refer to the FAQ entry for Kanan Jarrus.

“Kanan’s ability triggers after the Clean Up substep of the Execute Maneuver Step.”

“Kanan’s ability triggers before stress from Inertial Dampeners or Daredevil is assigned.”

Based on that, I think we have an implicit ruling that the stress from Intertial Dampeners is assigned after Clean Up. By that logic, the combination of Intertial Dampeners and Pattern Analyzer should look like this:

1 - Reveal Dial Step

1a. Trigger Inertial Dampeners

2. Execute Manever Step

2a. Move Ship Substep: Ship’s maneuver is Stationary because of Inertial Dampeners

2b. Perform Action Step: The new Pattern Analyzer FAQ establishes the upgrade effectively relocates this step into a substep of Execute Maneuver. It doesn’t explicitly state this is the case, but if you follow the new FAQ, then moving the Perform Action step is the result. If the ship was not stressed before activating, then it should be able to perform an action in accordance with Pattern Analyzer.

2c. Check Pilot Stress substep: The ship executed a white stationary maneuver. This does not normally cause stress.

2d. Clean Up substep

3. “Then receive 1 stress token,” from Interial Dampeners. The Kanan crew entry established that this happens after Clean Up.

@AEIllingworth You had the right question, you just applied the rules incorrectly to get a conclusion.

1 hour ago, jmswood said:

There’s nothing mythical about the “Clean Up” step. It’s in the Rules Reference on page 4. That being said, your skepticism in this card interraction is valid.

In this case I would refer to the FAQ entry for Kanan Jarrus.

“Kanan’s ability triggers after the Clean Up substep of the Execute Maneuver Step.”

“Kanan’s ability triggers before stress from Inertial Dampeners of Daredevil is assigned.”

Based on that, I think we have an implicit ruling that the stress from Intertial Dampeners is assigned after Clean Up. By that logic, the combination of Intertial Dampeners and Pattern Analyzer should look like this:

1 - Reveal Dial Step

1a. Trigger Inertial Dampeners

2. Execute Manever Step

2a. Move Ship Substep: Ship’s maneuver is Stationary because of Inertial Dampeners

2b. Perform Action Step: The new Pattern Analyzer FAQ establishes the upgrade effectively relocates this step into a substep of Execute Maneuver. It doesn’t explicitly state this is the case, but if you follow the new FAQ, then moving the Perform Action step is the result. If the ship was not stressed before activating, then it should be able to perform an action in accordance with Pattern Analyzer.

2c. Check Pilot Stress substep: The ship executed a white stationary maneuver. This does not normally cause stress.

2d. Clean Up substep

3. “Then receive 1 stress token,” from Interial Dampeners. The Kanan crew entry established that this happens after Clean Up.

@AEIllingworth You had the right question, you just applied the rules incorrectly to get a conclusion.

I'm pretty sure this is correct. Besides all the rules specifics laid out it just makes sense as well. If you use PA on a red 0 maneuver then you would get the action before the stress kicks in for sure. ID basically just let's you turn any maneuver into a red 0 stop for all practical purposes so it would make sense that you should treat it the same as an actual stop with PA.

I realize "it just makes sense" is not an actual argument but I think jms already covered the relevant lawyer-y bits.

Yeah, the wording of “white 0 stop” sounds like it is there to allow using it while stressed, but otherwise function like normal. That is a lot of intent though, so thanks for the thorough response!

On 10/28/2017 at 1:15 PM, AEIllingworth said:

I hate to bring the thread necromancy, but I’m not convinced on the pattern analyzer and inertial dampeners nteraction. The newest FAQ states:

Abilities that trigger after a ship executes a maneuver still occur after the “Clean Up” step.

Wouldn’t this mythical “Clean Up” step be where ID gives you the stress?

What Rebel ship has crew and tech?

25 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

What Rebel ship has crew and tech?

Nothing yet, but if we ever get the Resistance Troop Transport, that ship should have Tech and Crew.

Tech and Illicit is the upgrade combination really in question here. So far just the Quadjumper can use Pattern Analyzer and Inertial Dampeners.