This post comes in two parts.

Part 1 isn’t a “Fix the X-Wing” thread per se. It’s a proposal to introduce the correct name for the T-65 X-Wing into the game.

The expansion pack would include a single x-wing model with a nice new paint scheme; CorSec green or Rebel Red or some other weathered rebel alliance color. Most importantly, it would include a re-print of each x-wing pilot card - all identical to the original cards except with the ship type printed as T-65 X-Wing instead of just X-Wing. One card for each unique pilot and maybe 4 for each non-unique pilot (16 cards total). Plus cardboard for one x-wing, say one dial and one base token for a rookie/red squad pilot.

It could just stop here, nothing else, no new content or pilots etc. Non-Tournament players or anyone who wouldn’t want to buy a new expansion pack could just use a sharpie and print T-65 in front of the X-Wing on their cards and be done with it.

Is this something folks would want?

Part 2 (and here comes the “Fix the X-Wing” part)

I personally would love it to include new pilots and upgrades. As a stand-alone X-Wing pack it could include a shotgun collection of x-wing pilots from various EU streams and story lines (CorSec pilots, Corran Horn, Leia, etc). And new upgrades to buff this iconic ship.

Here are a couple of ideas I have come up with, some of which are based upon discussions and ideas in other threads.

This bundle would give the ship some unique maneuverability/re-positioning capability.

This bundle is an alternate version of the previous bundle sort of “flipped” (the pack wouldn’t include both bundles).

Also, I’ve always disliked how integrated astromech uses up the modification slot. This is an alternative to integrated astromech that gives X-Wings a point reduction, frees up their modification slot and still gives them integrated astromech. Of course, this is a would’a, could’a, should’a, dream card.

Sorry about posting yet another fix thread but I do love this stuff

T-70 picture in a T-65 only upgrade?

Seems redundant. Easier just to exclude the T-70 in any potential X-wing fix.

To answer the initial question, I'd say possibly. Part of me doesn't want yet another x-Wing model, but the altered paint scheme might be enough.

The custom card look alright, though I do think Automated Damage Control Protocols is too much. It out and out replaces Integrated Astromech and the in essence price reduction of the Astromech is also troubling. If I may suggest, the easier solution would be to errata in a clause into Integrated Astromech that allows the user to equip another mod less than or equal to a certain point cost, like Smuggling Compartments. At least two points to go along with the mods you are suggesting seems like a good limit.

To answer the first question, no, I personally would not have any interest in a re-release that just updated the T-65 name.


For the second point, yes I desperately would like an X-Wing fix. I may be in the minority here, but I think the T-70 also needs a good fix. Aside from Poe, none of the seven other unique pilots or two generics have ever been competitively viable. The ship is in a better place than the T-65, but it's far from being at a healthy power-level. I'd like to see an eventual fix that had (1) some goodies for all X-Wings to help bolster them, and some (2) T-65 Only goodies that helped them out a bit to make them closer to the T-70 in cost-to-performance.

I think it would be silly to only boost the T-65 to the T-70's level, because then both T-65s and T-70s would still be competitively unplayable. Almost as bad would be to boost the T-65 to playability but leave the T-70 behind, because you've then missed four opportunities to help the T-70 (TFA Core, T-70 Pack, HotR, and this route of fixing the T-65), and then you've got OT X-Wings playable (yay!) while NT X-Wings are duds (boo). So the only reasonable route for FFG would be to boost the T-65 to the T-70's cost-to-power ratio, and then boost both classes of X-Wings in some way that can make them viable outside of Biggs (and rarely Poe).

1 hour ago, Crabbok said:

T-70 picture in a T-65 only upgrade?

D'oh! I'll have to fix that.

Fixed, How embarrassing.

32 minutes ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

...I'd like to see an eventual fix that had (1) some goodies for all X-Wings to help bolster them, and some (2) T-65 Only goodies that helped them out a bit to make them closer to the T-70 in cost-to-performance...

The Automated Damage Control Protocols is "X-Wing Only" which includes both T-65 and T-70. But, yeah, I agree it's a tough and controversial subject.

Rebellion X-Wing only.

Resistance X-Wing only.

No need to reprint anything.

30 minutes ago, SabineKey said:

...Automated Damage Control Protocols is too much...

All lf these features have been brought up as potential or needed fixes, I just rolled them all into one efficient upgrade. Maybe too efficient?

5 minutes ago, Bullox said:

All lf these features have been brought up as potential or needed fixes, I just rolled them all into one efficient upgrade. Maybe too efficient?

Yeah, I think so. The less making old upgrade cards obsolete the better, in my mind.

I would not purchase this, and I love my X wings especially my T-65s.

My only new x wing purchase for me would have to include Blue Squadron from Rogue One and Hera from Rebels.

Blue squadron please and thank you FFG. I know, I have a problem. Also, it'd be nice to have a new y-wing mold.

I would TOTALLY buy it!

Fantasy Fun Games. Shut up and take my money !!!!!1111!!!

I would. But only if I get at least 2 new Rogues. A Rogue Squadron Pilot generic at PS6 with an EPT. And Corran and Tycho in X-Wings.

27 minutes ago, BlodVargarna said:

I would not purchase this, and I love my X wings especially my T-65s.

My only new x wing purchase for me would have to include Blue Squadron from Rogue One and Hera from Rebels.

16 minutes ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:

Blue squadron please and thank you FFG. I know, I have a problem. Also, it'd be nice to have a new y-wing mold.

I'm truly hoping for a Rogue One pack with lots of T-65 x-wing goodness.

X-Wing plus a new mold for Y-Wing (with an actual turret, not the sorta-turret lump the current model has) both with new paintjobs, in a Rogue One box set with K2SO, Chirut Imwe, etc and some generics that actually have EPTs, and some fix cards. I would buy the $h1† out of that.

1 hour ago, BlueSquadronPilot said:

Also, it'd be nice to have a new y-wing mold.

One that more accurately reflects Gold Sq. Pilot card art, right?

The engine pods on my Y-wings all look identical on the port and starboard side

I would buy a new T-65 if it came with reprints of the old cards with LOWERED POINT COSTS (except for Biggs who might go up) AND a couple new pilots IF it had the same pricepoint of other small ships.

Point cost is a perfectly good balancing mechanic, I really don't see why they print new rules to learn instead. Some say it has to do with avoiding messing up player's tourney lists, but the lists alter based on fix cards and errata so I don't see how that is such a thought-ending drawback.

If there's any further xwing "fixes" I hope they come through another ship's expansion. I have 3 xwings already which is enough.

IF they made this, btw huge IF, only way I would care is if they released Corran Horn as an x-wing pilot, with a unique droid Whistler, as a Cor-sec painted style x-wing in the pack, and allow all previous x-wing pilots and ships, like wedge and etc, to be automatically gain the T-65 ship name.

I own 3 x-wings, and the only way I would bother with one more is if it was Corran Horns, and it fixes the ship so they can be competitive again as a proper space superiority fighter.

3 hours ago, Parakitor said:

One that more accurately reflects Gold Sq. Pilot card art, right?

The engine pods on my Y-wings all look identical on the port and starboard side

I find that one engine on my Y-Wing models and my friend's models to be at an angle due to the mold. So something straighter would be nice.

5 hours ago, BlodVargarna said:

I would not purchase this, and I love my X wings especially my T-65s.

My only new x wing purchase for me would have to include Blue Squadron from Rogue One and Hera from Rebels.

I would purchase it, but be disappointed that Blod's ideas were not included.

Oh boy, has it really been a week already?

18 hours ago, Bullox said:

The good thing with the Integrated Astromech card is that it takes the Modification slot , so there is a counterpart. Your card not only has no counterpart, but has a negative squad point. Don't. Like. it.