After looking at the show case again. I thin the card that everyone is referring to as Enlightened Monk is actually a Courtier, which costs 3 and has -/3

5 minutes ago, Zalari said:

Doji Whisperer costs 1

Oups, you're right, don't know why I messed up the numbers like that. That means it can't be the Conflict character then, since it would be before Steward of Law, but likely the 41, with Enlightened Monk the 42, and either the Scout or the Brash Samurai as 43 and 140.

2 minutes ago, Yandia said:

After looking at the show case again. I thin the card that everyone is referring to as Enlightened Monk is actually a Courtier, which costs 3 and has -/3

You read 3? Thought it was a 1, but maybe you're right. Then, I would be even more wrong... I guess I should stop trying to make guesses like that after a working day, my brain is obviously not working properly...

5 minutes ago, KerenRhys said:

Doji Whisperer is very likely to be the Crane conflict character we don't "know" (number 140). She cost 2 so the same as the Doji Gift Giver which is alphabetically before. So it doesn't match on the Dynasty side. However, as Steward of Law cost only 1, it would be logic to have the Whisperer just after.

For the Dynasty side, the number 41 should be the Enlightened Monk shown on the showcase (cost 1) and the 2 others the Brash Samura and the ?? Scout that cost 2, with ?? beginning by a A, B, C or D (maybe Daidoji Scout?).

I am under the impression that Doji Whisperer is a dynasty card. The only image I know of the card is on the play layout example on one of the first examples. The number can't readily be seen and I don't count the numbers as exact off those first images, but it appears to be a 2 digit number which would make that a dynasty card.

On the showcase page there is a crane character card above the conflict deck. I can't read the title but it has a 3 fate cost. The only place this fits is on the conflict side right after steward of law. That means brash samurai and doji whisperer must be dynasty cards

11 minutes ago, Yandia said:

After looking at the show case again. I thin the card that everyone is referring to as Enlightened Monk is actually a Courtier, which costs 3 and has -/3

The name could be "Political Rival".

Cost 3, Mil -, Pol 3, Courtier, ........, This character gains +1 /pol/ while defending.

If I understand your calculations, he would by the last Crane Dynasty card, with the Scout being the last Conflict card, right?

I see no place for this 3 cost to fit in with the Dynasty cards (between Nerishma and th Storyteller, I believe all spots are taken). Meanwhile, the Brash Samurai and the Scout would fit perfectly between Whisperer and the Gift Giver..

No, it can't be that way - the numbers would be wrong. Nerishma (cost 2) is 46, Doji Challenger (cost 3) is 47. 48-52 (Hotaru) are known.

This makes the 3-cost unknown character to Conflict card, while the Scout with cost 2 sits nicely in to the opening between Asahina Artisan (40) and Doji Gift Giver (44). Along with Doji Whisperer and Brash Samurai.

2 minutes ago, Zalari said:

I see no place for this 3 cost to fit in with the Dynasty cards (between Nerishma and th Storyteller, I believe all spots are taken). Meanwhile, the Brash Samurai and the Scout would fit perfectly between Whisperer and the Gift Giver..

Which scout?

Never mind

Above Savvy Politician:

And which card is to the right of this mysterious daidoji gensai scout?

The one we are talking about . I posted above all the info I was able to decipher from it (and now my eyes hurt like hell ).

2 minutes ago, Dovla said:

And which card is to the right of this mysterious daidoji gensai scout?

Thats the 3 cost crane conflict character that I can't read the title of. It has been suggested that this is Political Rival which I can possibly see in the title.

6 minutes ago, JRosen9 said:

Thats the 3 cost crane conflict character that I can't read the title of. It has been suggested that this is Political Rival which I can possibly see in the title.

Looks like it has sincerity, since the text is italicized and in brackets.

Too much text for it to be Sincerity, I think.

I would assume the Scout to be the Dynasty card and the political rival/enlightened monk dude the last conflict card. Brash Samurai and Doji Whisperer would be Dynasty cards as well.

Currently the cheep Crane characters are missing and except for the Monk everyone is cheap.

Updated with Crane Clan revelations, and a bunch more question marks because of the unequal card numbers confirmation.

There's also a neutral holding on the Lion dynasty side +1 strength, but that's about all I can tell.

I agree about it being Political Rival as well. It definitely has a Keyword of some sort. Not sure which. And something gains +1 political skill while participating, maybe?

On 4/20/2017 at 5:09 AM, Tonbo Karasu said:

49	Kakita Kaizen *	Crane	Dynasty	Character	Bushi Duellist Kenshinzen

Kakita Kaezin.

20 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

Updated with Crane Clan revelations, and a bunch more question marks because of the unequal card numbers confirmation.

I thought maybe I could logicially deduce the what the cards are based on the clans under the assumption that each clan got the same total amount of cards. However, that doesn't work because under the assumption that all the crane cards have been seen, that means that each clan should have 24 cards. However, summing the total number of revealed unicorn cards, the unknown cards between unicorn and the neutrals, and the unknown cards between the scorpion and unicorn cards only gives you 22. That means barring some weird numbering, Unicorn has less cards than at least crane

15 minutes ago, JRosen9 said:

I thought maybe I could logicially deduce the what the cards are based on the clans under the assumption that each clan got the same total amount of cards. However, that doesn't work because under the assumption that all the crane cards have been seen, that means that each clan should have 24 cards. However, summing the total number of revealed unicorn cards, the unknown cards between unicorn and the neutrals, and the unknown cards between the scorpion and unicorn cards only gives you 22. That means barring some weird numbering, Unicorn has less cards than at least crane

It might be that conflict cards with influence values count differently, since they can used by everyone.

I am a very visual and spatial learner. Given that, I decided to make a spreadsheet given the information we've got and then extrapolate from there. Here is the link to my online Google spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vUzqEqnHtFnl24SKACZTqyiHhrOW9HQzTBjYAbAuaKU/edit?usp=sharing

Some notes on the construction of the spreadsheet:

- With the cards that are confirmed, I noticed the following sorting pattern:

[Deck type, dynasty then conflict] -> [Clan, in alphabetical order] -> [Card type (Character, Holding, Attachment, Event)] -> [Fate cost, ascending] -> [Alphabetical order]

- As a result of this pattern if there were gaps between two confirmed cards that share consecutive properties then all shared properties between those cards are extrapolated. E.g., card #57 is a dynasty deck Dragon character with 2 fate cost, and card #59 is a dynasty deck Dragon character with 2 fate cost, so we can be pretty confident that card #58 is a dynasty deck Dragon character with 2 fate cost that lay between #57 and #59 alphabetically. Similarly, because #69 is a dynasty deck Lion character with 1 fate cost and #75 is a dynasty deck Lion character with 3 fate cost we can assume with good certainty that cards #70 through #74 are also Lion characters with fate costs of 1, 2, or 3. I have gone ahead and filled out all of these obvious extrapolations in the spreadsheet.

- In addition to those evidence based extrapolations I also filled in a number with just blatant guesses. Those guesses are highlighted in red and were made with an attempt of evening out the clans as much as possible.

Observations on the results:

- Either the Crab or the Crane have 15 total dynasty deck cards, depending on whether card #39 is Crab or Crane. I've got it pegged as Crab, as that makes the most sense to me considering they have a lot of holdings and another Crane character would either have to be alphabetically earlier than 'Asahina Artisan' or would have to cost 0 fate and both of those are unlikely in my eyes. If #39 is indeed a Crab card then the Crab have 4 holdings, which feels about right.

- The Crane, Dragon, Lion, and Phoenix clans all have 14 dynasty deck cards. Cards #68, #81, and #95 could all go either way between their adjacent clans but in doing so would create further imbalance. With this prognostication both Lion and Phoenix have two holdings each, which is interesting.

- The Scorpion and Unicorn clans have 13 dynasty deck cards each. It is possible that #109 is a Scorpion card and Scorpion has 14 to Unicorn's 12, but that seems unlikely and overly punishing to the Unicorn. The Unicorn cannot possibly have more than 13 total, however, as #108 is City of Lies and #122 is Otomo Courtier.

- #129 is a contentious card. We know that there is at least one neutral holding -- the first image on the splash page has one on the Lion side of the field. I personally think that there will be at least two neutral holdings which is why I have #129 pegged as a neutral card. Alternatively #129 could be the only neutral holding and #128 is a high cost neutral character card. This also jives with the total card count listed in the OP and could even locate which two cards have four copies -- it's the two neutral holdings, #128 and #129.

- However, the other option is that #129 is a Crab conflict card marking the beginning of the conflict cards. I have Crab pegged for only 9 conflict deck cards, fewer than the other clans, but it makes up for the Crab having 15 dynasty deck cards. If #129 is a Crab Conflict card then they have 10 just like everyone else. Another concern is that because Jade Tetsubo has to be before the events, therefore it must be either #130 or #131, and #132 is Reprieve which has a fate cost of 1 then with #129 being a neutral dynasty deck card the Crab either do not have a conflict deck character or do not have any conflict deck 0 cost events.

- There are at least two yet unseen Dragon attachments left for sure. #152 and #153 are in between Ancestral Daisho #151 and Way of the Dragon #154. The Dragon have at absolute most one conflict deck character, in slot #149, which actually could still go to Crane but would be unlikely.

- One of either the Dragon, Lion, Phoenix or Scorpion have 11 conflict deck cards. I have the Scorpion with the 11th card as they only had 13 dynasty cards as well as it seeming thematic, but in truth it could be any of these clans with the 11th card.

- The Phoenix appear to have three conflict deck characters, which is perhaps a little weird. That said, Lion and Crane have two each so it's not that odd I suppose.

- The Unicorn have six total slots for characters and attachments. We know that one of those is Favored Mount, but the rest could be anything. Personally I'm expecting a lot of characters in the Unicorn conflict deck to represent cavalry coming to the rescue from out of left field.

- Unless card #199 is a neutral card and not a Unicorn card (leaving them with only 9 conflict deck cards on top of their max 13 dynasty deck cards) then there are no neutral conflict deck characters. This is probably intentional; I feel like a neutral conflict deck character would be played in basically every deck unless it was really weak. Hard to say, though.

- Assassination costs 0 fate. You heard me right: Assassination costs 0 fate. Either it is the only card in the set to defy the sorting pattern I listed above, or it costs 0 fate. Which is nuts. That card is silly. I just hope that 3 honor is enough of a cost.

- There are a whopping three 0 fate cost neutral events yet to be revealed, and possibly even a fourth if #210 is 0 cost.

- There is only one unrevealed neutral attachment, however.

Anyways, enormous post over, these are my findings. They jive pretty well with what has been predicted to date and don't really shake things up too much, but for me at least it's good to see it all laid out visually.

11 hours ago, Khift said:

I am a very visual and spatial learner. Given that, I decided to make a spreadsheet given the information we've got and then extrapolate from there. Here is the link to my online Google spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vUzqEqnHtFnl24SKACZTqyiHhrOW9HQzTBjYAbAuaKU/edit?usp=sharing

Very nice breakdown. Here is where I found differences between my spreadsheet and yours.

1) I have Elemental Fury as card 16. I am certain I saw that revealed. This puts Ancestral Lands at 15 (Unless sorting is by element and not alphabetical).

2) I have Borderlands Fortification as card 38

3) I have no number on Way of the Dragon

4) You have several cards in the floating cards that I have not seen mentioned as cards. I know the champions have been stated to be in the set but cards such as Akodo General or Akodo Arasou I have not seen mentioned.

I agree on 1 and 2.

Way of the Dragon was in a card fan where I think we got a glimpse of its number.

Akodo Arasou is the Lion Clan Champion. Akodo General is what someone interpreted the bowed Lion character from the Showcase layout as.

5 minutes ago, Tonbo Karasu said:

I agree on 1 and 2.

Way of the Dragon was in a card fan where I think we got a glimpse of its number.

Akodo Arasou is the Lion Clan Champion. Akodo General is what someone interpreted the bowed Lion character from the Showcase layout as.

You are correct on the Dragon. It was in the initial release of previewed cards that I ignored the numbers on as They seemed not to be final.

In regards to the Lion clan champion, I thought Toturi was the Clan champ. His spreadsheet had both Toturi and Arasou as floating cards. I assume one is the champion and will be in the set. I haven't seen any mention that the other one will unless I missed it.

2 minutes ago, JRosen9 said:

You are correct on the Dragon. It was in the initial release of previewed cards that I ignored the numbers on as They seemed not to be final.

In regards to the Lion clan champion, I thought Toturi was the Clan champ. His spreadsheet had both Toturi and Arasou as floating cards. I assume one is the champion and will be in the set. I haven't seen any mention that the other one will unless I missed it.

I would suggest that none of the other numbers have been proven wrong, so it seems reasonable to go with the one on Way of the Dragon.

Toturi is Arasou's younger brother and an up-and-coming strategist. In another reality, Arasou is about to die at a Crane castle and leave Toturi as the Champion.

Just now, Tonbo Karasu said:

Toturi is Arasou's younger brother and an up-and-coming strategist. In another reality, Arasou is about to die at a Crane castle and leave Toturi as the Champion.

Right, but have you seen anything stating that Toturi will have a card in the core set?