19 minutes ago, matsu ryroma said:

I was thinking that as well, until the official announcement for the Inaugural Tournament stated "Once players have selected their clan".

This implied that there would be only one clan choice? I feel like you could probably make 2 decently focused decks @ 20/20 with the amount of cards in the core, but anything over that might be difficult?

Definitely might be done in the "pick 2, add half the neutrals" GoT method though.

And the clan you choose may be based on your Stronghold?...

1 hour ago, matsu ryroma said:

I was thinking that as well, until the official announcement for the Inaugural Tournament stated "Once players have selected their clan".

This implied that there would be only one clan choice? I feel like you could probably make 2 decently focused decks @ 20/20 with the amount of cards in the core, but anything over that might be difficult?

Definitely might be done in the "pick 2, add half the neutrals" GoT method though.

I'm thinking/speculating that a Core should be able to make two 30/30 "starter" or "trial" decks with cards left over. That would allow for 10-15 conflict cards that the two players who shared the cost for the box will set aside because they are prohibited from doing so by the One-Other-Clan-Only Influence rule.

Ten to 15, because that would be exactly 5 clans worth of conflict cards that neither player would be playing (the other two clans' cards will be in the players' decks). And 30/30 only per player, because if each player instead bought their own Core set, they should each have more than enough to make a full, 40/40 tournament-legal deck of the same Clan and deck composition if they so desired.

To illustrate:

For example, if A and B pitched in to buy one Core Set, they could make a 30/30 Crane/Phoenix deck and a 30/30 Lion/Unicorn deck to play against each other, with the conflict cards for Crab, Dragon and Scorpion set aside, along with maybe 1 or two unused copies of the Phoenix or Unicorn cards they used (meaning they do not have enough cards to make 30/30 Lion/Phoenix deck instead, because the Crane/Phoenix deck has most of the Phoenix cards).

If instead A and B both bought one Core Set each, they should be able to both make the same 40/40 Crane/Phoenix deck, with the conflict deck roughly half-comprised of neutral cards.

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Again, this is just my idea on how this set could fulfill both the statement that this will be "FFG's largest release to date" (i.e. a bigger core set than GoT2E) and the statement that "you only need one Core Set to play but require two to be competitive."

At the very least, I doubt it would only have enough cards to make two 20/20 decks, as that would mean a 40-card conflict deck made from one Core set would contain cards from more than two Clans, in contravention of the stated deckbuilding rule.

How did Hida Kisada got into the number crunch?

Is that based on the logic the the clan champion is probably very expensive and therefor is probably the last character before the holding? If that is the case we probably can add a few more champions into the number crunch, but I think that is quite speculative.

2 hours ago, Radon Antila said:

I'm thinking/speculating that a Core should be able to make two 30/30 "starter" or "trial" decks with cards left over. That would allow for 10-15 conflict cards that the two players who shared the cost for the box will set aside because they are prohibited from doing so by the One-Other-Clan-Only Influence rule.

Ten to 15, because that would be exactly 5 clans worth of conflict cards that neither player would be playing (the other two clans' cards will be in the players' decks). And 30/30 only per player, because if each player instead bought their own Core set, they should each have more than enough to make a full, 40/40 tournament-legal deck of the same Clan and deck composition if they so desired.

To illustrate:

For example, if A and B pitched in to buy one Core Set, they could make a 30/30 Crane/Phoenix deck and a 30/30 Lion/Unicorn deck to play against each other, with the conflict cards for Crab, Dragon and Scorpion set aside, along with maybe 1 or two unused copies of the Phoenix or Unicorn cards they used (meaning they do not have enough cards to make 30/30 Lion/Phoenix deck instead, because the Crane/Phoenix deck has most of the Phoenix cards).

If instead A and B both bought one Core Set each, they should be able to both make the same 40/40 Crane/Phoenix deck, with the conflict deck roughly half-comprised of neutral cards.

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Again, this is just my idea on how this set could fulfill both the statement that this will be "FFG's largest release to date" (i.e. a bigger core set than GoT2E) and the statement that "you only need one Core Set to play but require two to be competitive."

At the very least, I doubt it would only have enough cards to make two 20/20 decks, as that would mean a 40-card conflict deck made from one Core set would contain cards from more than two Clans, in contravention of the stated deckbuilding rule.

In stating this, I wonder if a dual-clan 40/40 deck, comprised of cards from both clans plus neutral cards, is the most likely setup for the "one core set" tournaments at Gencon?

18 minutes ago, Yandia said:

How did Hida Kisada got into the number crunch?

Is that based on the logic the the clan champion is probably very expensive and therefor is probably the last character before the holding? If that is the case we probably can add a few more champions into the number crunch, but I think that is quite speculative.

I think the logic is that Karasu is pretty sure that Borderlands Fortification is the first holding of the Crab, so with Hida Kisada being the most expensive Crab character, it's sure to have that number. However, for the other clans, he's not sure if they'll have 1 or 2 holdings, so he can't attribute a sure number to them. If you look in the second part of the array, they all are listed with a choice between 2 numbers.

Got it. So it is still a guess but slightly more informed then with the other clans.

6 minutes ago, matsu ryroma said:

In stating this, I wonder if a dual-clan 40/40 deck, comprised of cards from both clans plus neutral cards, is the most likely setup for the "one core set" tournaments at Gencon?

Presuming my speculation on minimum card count per deck from a single core set is correct, then yes, it would follow that registration at the event is likely a matter of buying the core set then declaring what Clan your Stronghold is going to be and which Clan your supporting cards will be coming from. The core set clearly will not be breaking the max-3 card rule, and there is seemingly no restrictions on using any and all sorts of neutral cards.

Now, I would not be surprised if the event would have a 30/30 or 35/35 rule for any reason, but since it's a prerelease event, one would think that the best way to welcome the playerbase would be to conduct the event with the ruleset expected of all future tournaments; naturally, with the exception that the 1 core set rule is defined as a one-time, prerelease event "deckbuilding challenge".

1 hour ago, KerenRhys said:

I think the logic is that Karasu is pretty sure that Borderlands Fortification is the first holding of the Crab, so with Hida Kisada being the most expensive Crab character, it's sure to have that number. However, for the other clans, he's not sure if they'll have 1 or 2 holdings, so he can't attribute a sure number to them. If you look in the second part of the array, they all are listed with a choice between 2 numbers.

Yeah, what s/he said.

I also have a theory that the Unicorn have no Holdings, but there's even less proof for that than the Borderlands Fortification. I anticipate that I'll be able to slot more unknown stuff in the longer we go. With 4 unnumbered Crane Characters, just one or two new ones could easily force a number of those into the right place.

Im getting excited with the releases!

~D

On 19/05/2017 at 9:54 PM, Radon Antila said:

Now, I would not be surprised if the event would have a 30/30 or 35/35 rule for any reason, but since it's a prerelease event, one would think that the best way to welcome the playerbase would be to conduct the event with the ruleset expected of all future tournaments; naturally, with the exception that the 1 core set rule is defined as a one-time, prerelease event "deckbuilding challenge".

AGoT 2nd edition used a custom format for its own intro tournament 2 years ago, even though it was possible to build a standard-legal deck with any main faction/banner combination out of 1 core set. My guess for why they did it that way is that there would be next to no deckbuilding with the standard format (depending on your choice of banner, you'd have between 62 and 64 usable cards), except for the plot deck.

Number 44 is known:

https://l5r.gamepedia.com/Doji_Gift_Giver

Number 44 is a reveal, yes, but it is annoyingly in a place that tells very little about other cards: there are 3 between 39 and 43, ifthe Gift Giver had been 42 or 43, it would have told me a bunch more.

I know. :/

I also went through things.

Noble Sacrifice at #148 (not so interesting)
Artisan Academy at #53 (Making Doomed Shugenja the first Dragon card, and shuffling up your estimate a bit)

3 minutes ago, Yandia said:

Noble Sacrifice at #148 (not so interesting)
Artisan Academy at #53 (Making Doomed Shugenja the first Dragon card, and shuffling up your estimate a bit)

Yeah it does. I'm going to have to query the start and end numbers of the Dynasty ranges entirely

But probably not worth doing a complete edit until after tomorrow's article.

Yes I assume we will have a much better overview tomorrow.

So... if #25 Eager Scout is the first Crab card (which it would be, if we do have 17 provinces) and #53 Artisan Academy is the last Crane card... that would give us 29 cards between Crab and Crane? Which.. is not even?

5 minutes ago, Zalari said:

So... if #25 Eager Scout is the first Crab card (which it would be, if we do have 17 provinces) and #53 Artisan Academy is the last Crane card... that would give us 29 cards between Crab and Crane? Which.. is not even?

I'm still of the belief that not all clans have the same number of dynasty and conflict cards but that each has the same number of total cards.

On May 19, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Radon Antila said:

Again, this is just my idea on how this set could fulfill both the statement that this will be "FFG's largest release to date" (i.e. a bigger core set than GoT2E) and the statement that "you only need one Core Set to play but require two to be competitive."

I'm pretty sure that "largest release to date" refers to the number of copies of the game that will be out at release, not the number of cards in the box.

So is it possible yet to make a legal 30/30 deck which will come out of the core set using one clan from the previews?

It will not be possible to mix unicorn and lion in dynasty but if we assume that core set decks will be 30/30 or 20/20 even (agot 2.0, light me up on this one) , maybe using crane previews and neutral it is possible to make a legal deck and play a game more or less by the rules?

I think after the crane previews today there is only a single unknown crane card. Crane Conflict would go from numbers 139 through 148. The only unknown card is 140 which is most likely the 3 cost character shown on the showcase page who's name I can't read. Crane dynasty goes from 40 through 53 with 41 through 43 being unknown cards. Doji whisperer and Brash Samurai are 2 of these 3 cards leaving the last unspoiled crane card being a 1 or 2 cost crane character.

Assuming all the above is correct, this gives Crane 24 cards (not including stronghold and province). If we assume all clans get the same amount of total cards, this would mean crab have 15 dynasty and 9 conflict (Crane is 14 and 10 respectively).

I would assume that ? Scout is probably named Daidoji Scout (It would make sense.)

And yes I see one Conflict card missing, probably a character.

Edit: What's below is wrong, don't bother with it...

Doji Whisperer is very likely to be the Crane conflict character we don't "know" (number 140). She cost 2 so the same as the Doji Gift Giver which is alphabetically before. So it doesn't match on the Dynasty side. However, as Steward of Law cost only 1, it would be logic to have the Whisperer just after.

For the Dynasty side, the number 41 should be the Enlightened Monk shown on the showcase (cost 1) and the 2 others the Brash Samura and the ?? Scout that cost 2, with ?? beginning by a A, B, C or D (maybe Daidoji Scout?).

Oh interesting I was under the Impression that Doji Whisperer would be a Dynasty not a conflict card.

Enlightened Monk would fit the assumption that a character is missing. Then we would indeed have everything.

Doji Whisperer costs 1 and from the way that image is arranged with Nerishma, it seems very likely to be a Dinasty. My money is on this monk being the conflict card. (How do we know that name but not the scout's?)

15 minutes ago, KerenRhys said:

Doji Whisperer is very likely to be the Crane conflict character we don't "know" (number 140). She cost 2 so the same as the Doji Gift Giver which is alphabetically before. So it doesn't match on the Dynasty side. However, as Steward of Law cost only 1, it would be logic to have the Whisperer just after.

For the Dynasty side, the number 41 should be the Enlightened Monk shown on the showcase (cost 1) and the 2 others the Brash Samura and the ?? Scout that cost 2, with ?? beginning by a A, B, C or D (maybe Daidoji Scout?).