6 minutes ago, thecactusman17 said:

I can imagine Tagge being good in a large swarm of his home ship, the Gozanti cruisers.

The main issue there is his timing windows. You won't usually have Gozantis double-spending scatters on turn 2 and making it to the start of turn 5 can be problematic. It's fun with Slicer Tools Gozantis (especially with Minister Tua+ECMs) but that's generally only one or two of them. A whole swarm of the things generally prefer Tarkin for his force multiplication effect (usually with a mob of squadrons too).

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A big pile of Raiders might also be useful.

Doesn't work well. Once the Raider's brace has been double-spent they're usually at a point where they've got some hull damage and bringing the brace back won't usually make a meaningful difference in their survival. I also find that their biggest threat is from either death by numerous small attacks at shorter range (bombers that gang up on them once your fighters are gone or SW7 CR90Bs that double-arc them) or single large attacks that can lock down the brace, and Tagge's not really doing much if anything in either of those cases.

So the reason for those is because unlike other ships in the Imperial fleet they have one critical defense token yet can also more carefully control their engagements due to speed and maneuverability (that maneuver profile on the Goz is absurd for avoiding fights).

Doesn't revival imply not being DoA?

Given the constraints on his ability I doubt he will be viable.

3 hours ago, Darthain said:

Doesn't revival imply not being DoA?

Given the constraints on his ability I doubt he will be viable.

You're looking for some hidden message which just isn't there. People don't play Tagge. Maybe Sloane will give Tagge more value if she takes over the Imp meta.

The whole idea came from watching the new Hearthstone meta. Quest Rogue was crazy stupid powerful and dominated the meta. Now there are decks that are straight counters to it, like Secret Mage. With that same frame of mind, Sloane will be the new commander to play, so there will be a spike during the beginning. With that opening, Tagge could see more play since he directly counters Sloane, which could be enough value to bring him to a tournament.

It's all hypothetical of course, but talking about what the next meta will look like is a whole lot more fun than talking about flotillas.

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

You're looking for some hidden message which just isn't there. People don't play Tagge. Maybe Sloane will give Tagge more value if she takes over the Imp meta.

The whole idea came from watching the new Hearthstone meta. Quest Rogue was crazy stupid powerful and dominated the meta. Now there are decks that are straight counters to it, like Secret Mage. With that same frame of mind, Sloane will be the new commander to play, so there will be a spike during the beginning. With that opening, Tagge could see more play since he directly counters Sloane, which could be enough value to bring him to a tournament.

The main problem here is let's assume about half of the people coming to a competitive event are bringing Imperial fleets. And let's assume half of them are bringing Sloane (I think this is being extremely generous, for what it's worth). Is it worth it for the remaining 25% of the players at the event running Imperials to bring Tagge just in case they get that 1 in 4 chance of facing Sloane? I'm extremely skeptical on that account. And that's assuming Sloane ends up being a big deal and people don't defend against her in a more straightforward fashion by improving their anti-squadron coverage (in case they haven't already, in which case they're a bit late in the age of flotillas).

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It's all hypothetical of course, but talking about what the next meta will look like is a whole lot more fun than talking about flotillas.

This much I can't disagree with.

15 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

The main problem here is let's assume about half of the people coming to a competitive event are bringing Imperial fleets. And let's assume half of them are bringing Sloane (I think this is being extremely generous, for what it's worth). Is it worth it for the remaining 25% of the players at the event running Imperials to bring Tagge just in case they get that 1 in 4 chance of facing Sloane? I'm extremely skeptical on that account. And that's assuming Sloane ends up being a big deal and people don't defend against her in a more straightforward fashion by improving their anti-squadron coverage (in case they haven't already, in which case they're a bit late in the age of flotillas).

I fully agree. I've been trying to convey this and have failed to put it to words.

But with the new stuff coming out, it may be worth while to experiment with Tagge again. Build a fleet that works with Tagge, and get the added bonus of being stronger against another fleet. And there is the advantage with objective selection on both sides. Like playing with 2 ships with APT and picking Precision Strike from your opponent. Your fleet is already good, and now it gets better since you get to go first AND get this added benefit. That's how I view Tagge going into wave 6.

I don't think Tagge will contend with JJ, Vader, Motti or Screed. But I do want to try him out again after wave 6.

Right now, I'm thinking an ISD II with DCO, and 2 Arqs with TRC. At the very least, I'll have something that can deal with Demo and Admo. I also have been thinking about a fully loaded Gozanti with Tractor Beams, Slicer Tools and Suppressor. Maybe add Tue+ECM for the additional troll factor. And Tagge gives the Scatter back.

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

You're looking for some hidden message which just isn't there. People don't play Tagge. Maybe Sloane will give Tagge more value if she takes over the Imp meta.

The whole idea came from watching the new Hearthstone meta. Quest Rogue was crazy stupid powerful and dominated the meta. Now there are decks that are straight counters to it, like Secret Mage. With that same frame of mind, Sloane will be the new commander to play, so there will be a spike during the beginning. With that opening, Tagge could see more play since he directly counters Sloane, which could be enough value to bring him to a tournament.

It's all hypothetical of course, but talking about what the next meta will look like is a whole lot more fun than talking about flotillas.

Agreed, Sloane is a terrifying admiral and I love what she does to the imp fighter game. I just don't think Tagge will be the Redeemer. There are definitely some very interesting aspects of play to Sloane.

I've always found defensive play in Armada underwhelming, such as Motti, in that it doesn't generally contribute enough to your goals (more chosen as it was cheap and not always entirely useless). In the next release we are going to see defense tokens further undermined, which will stress caring less about them and trying to steam roll faster in my mind. Tagge doesn't help that.

Nym is already annoying enough with toryn and bcc, but I've never thought about bringing Tagge in to deal with it.

2 hours ago, Darthain said:

Nym is already annoying enough with toryn and bcc, but I've never thought about bringing Tagge in to deal with it.

That's also because Nym is one thing, and the opponent has sunk a bunch of investment into to making this one thing work.

... Sloane however, is adding a 1/4 shot potential to 8 pointers that already do a job - and that makes her far more dangerous, and able to become ubiquitous...