Or should we wait for the expansions?
Looks like the exp have new upgrade cards, so they will be a must to some degree.
It also sounds like the upgrades will be universal for any of the armies... which is a double edge sword... and is not unlike X-Wing/Armada
...but with 4 Armies. *sigh*
Bang for buck it's worth it. You can supplement the cores with the expansions after for the new upgrades.
While their are faction neutral upgrades they can be found in every factions expansion packs. So you won't ever have to buy an expansion outwith your own faction for an upgrade card. At worst you'll need to buy a unit for your desired faction that you aren't overly keen on. However given the nature of FFG releases it'll be easy to keep on track with one of each faction expansion.
i think they are planning to make it where you dont have to buy units out of your faction to get the games. Xwing/Armada are cheap enough to get away with that, but RWM would be just as expensive as 40k if not worse to play one army because you had to buy EVERYTHING to compete.
My only reservation with getting a second core set is that there will be upgrades in the unit expansions that I'll want to take on every unit of that type that I include in an army leaving me with trays that I'm never going to use.
THAT is FANTASTIC News! If that ends up being the case.
Being an Armada player who plays mostly Imperials, i don't mind having to buy Rebel models. But to do something similar with RWM, would break my wallet, my marriage, and my life
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Since that's the only thing that's available at the moment, you'll want to buy another if you want the true Rune"Wars" experience and not RuneSkirmish.
2 minutes ago, WWHSD said:My only reservation with getting a second core set is that there will be upgrades in the unit expansions that I'll want to take on every unit of that type that I include in an army leaving me with trays that I'm never going to use.
this is the main thing holding me off a 2nd core atm. If this was 40k, where the box is literally just figs, i'd get a 2nd core in a heartbeat but i got a strong feeling im going to want more than 1 of each coming up boxes due to the cards. Really want to keep excess miniatures to a minimum in this game since this one, unlike xwing, is rather expensive.
6 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:this is the main thing holding me off a 2nd core atm. If this was 40k, where the box is literally just figs, i'd get a 2nd core in a heartbeat but i got a strong feeling im going to want more than 1 of each coming up boxes due to the cards. Really want to keep excess miniatures to a minimum in this game since this one, unlike xwing, is rather expensive.
I'm probably going to end up seeing if someone wants to split a second core once I decide which faction I want to collect. I wanted a full core so that I would be able to play with people that haven't bought the game themselves.
A much better solution (if you are only going to play one of the core factions) is to trade the minis with someone else. Each core has around $200 worth of figures (depending on how you value the siege units and heroes), which can be fantastic if you are playing both factions (or having a second force for demos). It's pretty obvious you are going to want expansions anyway for cards, but two cores worth of minis doesn't get you quite all the way to 200 points unless you REALLY load up on upgrades. Even then, if you have 2 cores and one expansion for each unit, you get plenty of options for either faction.
If you trade faction pieces, you can do this for $235 at MSRP, which gives you tons of different ways to build a 200 point army. Compared to other minis games, that is not a bad price at all.
If I had no one to trade with (or really couldn't figure out which faction to play) I would probably pick up a second core. As it is though, I'm pretty happy with my choice of Daqan (and eventually elves), and Waiqar is super popular in my area, so a trade shouldn't be too hard to pull off.
I think I'm just going to have to accept that I'll be proxying cards like nobody's business, and buy two cores to get my game really started. If I get the tournament fever, later down the road, well shucks, I guess I'll have to e-bay some cards....
GLOATING: I have three cores.
KARMA: Now I have three cores worth to paint....it is more of a PITA than it sounds....
13 minutes ago, banjobenito said:I think I'm just going to have to accept that I'll be proxying cards like nobody's business, and buy two cores to get my game really started. If I get the tournament fever, later down the road, well shucks, I guess I'll have to e-bay some cards....
Personally i would borrow someone else's faction from their core set until the expansions come out if you are looking to play the 200pt. If you are ready to jump in now.
Not having played a single game yet (Still waiting on my copy) im going out on a limb and making an unofficial claim for Waiqar, simply because i have never played undead in any other games i have played. And will pre-order as such.
If X-Wing is an indication of what Ebay has in store for upgrade cards... i would rather get the models for a lil bit more money and maybe sell them to someone wanting to expand his set of models. Granted we are far off from a RWM version of a Palpatine Raider purchase
thing about xwing, i more want the purchase for the card than the model.
I have literally never thought about looking at ebay for a ship. Cards yes, ship no. Neither do i know anyone that has. Often you need multiple cards only found in 1-2 expansions and you only get 1, and you need 3-4 of that card for what youre trying to do and DONT need the ship.
3 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:thing about xwing, i more want the purchase for the card than the model.
I have literally never thought about looking at ebay for a ship. Cards yes, ship no. Neither do i know anyone that has. Often you need multiple cards only found in 1-2 expansions and you only get 1, and you need 3-4 of that card for what youre trying to do and DONT need the ship.
That's why I left X-Wing and never looked back. I wanted a game about the iconic starfigters, not upgrade cards that are much more important than the ships themselves
Problem with that statement, as it has been talked about endlessly, is if its "about iconic starfighters" the game was out of material eons ago. Theres only a handful of "iconic ships" to pick from after all.
The mechanics drew me in, not starwars. Im actually not a big starwars fan, it largely pisses me off with its lame/lackluster plots and absolute necessity to have the last 1/3 of each movie be some kind of "epic raid" even when the movie leading up to that point had no indication it was going to do it. Oddly enough, Ep5 is my favorite and it DOESNT have that kind of scene.
/derailment
2 cores are worth it as a starting force and the upgrades are of use.
Tempted to get another starter set, might try at salute this weekend.
10 minutes ago, Vineheart01 said:Problem with that statement, as it has been talked about endlessly, is if its "about iconic starfighters" the game was out of material eons ago. Theres only a handful of "iconic ships" to pick from after all.
The mechanics drew me in, not starwars. Im actually not a big starwars fan, it largely pisses me off with its lame/lackluster plots and absolute necessity to have the last 1/3 of each movie be some kind of "epic raid" even when the movie leading up to that point had no indication it was going to do it. Oddly enough, Ep5 is my favorite and it DOESNT have that kind of scene.
/derailment
BLASHPEMY! You should be stricken from the annals of Geekdom and all your dice be out of favor with the...
...crap you even got me derailing my own post. Well played.
I will make a chart of how many expansions you would need to make a max size unit of each type assuming you have 1/2 cores. I hope it helps.
Spearmen 3/1
Cavalry 4/3
Rune golems 3/2
Reanimates 4/2
Archers 2/1
Lancers 3/2
What this tells me is, it is better to split your core or buy a second than to just buy one core and the expansions. It will be cheaper to get to max sized units and you will still be getting enough of the expansions to have multiple copies of the upgrades.
Before you buy a second core however what I would recomend doing is building a 200pt list you want to play and finding the cheapest way to build that list. This can be done by going through the wiki, or news articles to find out what upgrades are going to be in which expansions and correlating that info to your build.
10 minutes ago, Orcdruid said:I will make a chart of how many expansions you would need to make a max size unit of each type assuming you have 1/2 cores. I hope it helps.
Spearmen 3/1
Cavalry 4/3
Rune golems 3/2
Reanimates 4/2
Archers 2/1
Lancers 3/2
What this tells me is, it is better to split your core or buy a second than to just buy one core and the expansions. It will be cheaper to get to max sized units and you will still be getting enough of the expansions to have multiple copies of the upgrades.
Before you buy a second core however what I would recomend doing is building a 200pt list you want to play and finding the cheapest way to build that list. This can be done by going through the wiki, or news articles to find out what upgrades are going to be in which expansions and correlating that info to your build.
Adding to this excellent breakdown: by this analysis, a second core saves you $120 + tax at MSRP.
Buying 1 core and expansions to get all units to max size: $635
Buying 2 cores and expansions to get all units to max size: $515
And before this makes your head explode, buying 1 core, trading, and buying expansions to get all units to max size for one faction only: $270 for Daqan, $245 for Waiqar
2 Cores = Worth...for army variation alone. This unit at this size or that...include two of this unit and none of that one...ect.
Very much worth for that alone. It opens up a very comfortable 100pts format to explore all the units in the game at varying degrees of inclusion.
Two boxes sufficiently satisfied my Gaming CDO (OCD in proper alphabetical order). Which means I am 4 boxes in, LOL.
/SaluteAll
Yes
A second box is completely worth it! And it allows you to experience the game and its depth so much better then a single core!
How many core sets you get really depends on how deep/high level you want to play at. Strictly speaking even with 2 cores when building a 200 point list you need both and even then you come up a bit light, able to at best to build a list from "everything you have". With one core set however you're effectively getting a demo game.
There is also the question as to whether or not 200 points is sufficiently epic. That will be the official competitive point value, but in terms of "game fun" and "epic feel" I think it comes up a bit short like some of the games in the miniature line at FFG. I would argue 250-300 points is more suitable for a full, robust game much in the same way it was for x-wing for example (the most fun I ever had with x-wing was at 150-200 points, lovingly referred to as epic play). Armada was probably the only game I have played in the miniature lines at FFG that felt "just right" at the default competitive point value.
That said of course as already mentioned, expansions will introduce new elements that will make the game more robust and flexible with things included that do not show up in the core set so while you get "default" stuff, you'll still need to get multiple copies of expansions to really breath life into the game, hence it may be better to wait, in fact I would probably say the sensible thing to do is to wait.
For me personally a friend and I split 3 core sets, but it has a lot to do with our gaming group as we don't do anything small and most of us have very expendable incomes so the cost of 3 sets was mostly hand waved, it sounded cool so we bought them in the same way one orders another bottle of wine at dinner... just cause. I don't know that 3 core sets is really necessary, I would probably argue its not but having only one seemed very underwhelming, so I would say 2 is the sweet spot, 3 if you are an ******* with too much money like me.
I would get two cores so you can play a complete game. With the added bonus of more dice (which you will need when flanking a unit) and some more upgrade cards.